LVC 06-Good quality or not?

[Shorty Long]

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Tell us more about what's wrong with them? I looks like they have the narrow selvage band, which my fall 05 have... I think the spring 06 are the same, I have a pair on the way. Apart from that, I didn't notice any difference between those and the previous ones, but I don't own any 555 '47s, would be interested to know the differences.

Those old ones are looking good. My 05 are now five months old, first wash is a month away.

--- Original message by Paul T on Mar 10, 2006 11:54 AM

that's one thing i wanted to point out...i actually have two '555s', one deadstock and one finished...and they both have the narrower selvage band, like the newer issues, while me '554s' have a wider one

[Paul T]

Makes sense. There might well be some difference in construction between 555 jeans and the current ones, because the factories are different, but I've not heard that Cone have made any changes to the denim. There are differences year-to-year in some of the early reissues - some, eg, 1880 reissues have used Cone, others have used Japanese denim.

Out of interest, Shorty,do you know where 554 were made? Is it the old Tennessee factory? My Levi's contact wouldnt' give me the factory info in the end, he believes if it gets out in the public domain that fakers will use it to improve their product!

[Shorty Long]

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Makes sense. There might well be some difference in construction between 555 jeans and the current ones, because the factories are different, but I've not heard that Cone have made any changes to the denim. There are differences year-to-year in some of the early reissues - some, eg, 1880 reissues have used Cone, others have used Japanese denim.

Out of interest, Shorty,do you know where 554 were made? Is it the old Tennessee factory? My Levi's contact wouldnt' give me the factory info in the end, he believes if it gets out in the public domain that fakers will use it to improve their product!

--- Original message by Paul T on Mar 10, 2006 12:12 PM

San Antonio, TX was what someone from Levi's told me...i think that was the last factory in the U.S. to close

[singlet2]

The question was just on the placement of the seam-one washed pair that would suggest the natural twist from washed selveedge and the new pair of unwashed that also has the selvedge twisting-pre-wash, signaling that perhaps the newer models are sewn to suggest a twist-not that I really care, just from what I've heard shrink to fit is becoming a rarity and you can fake the twist. But to the experts who have bought 05-06 LVC-is it all STF or sanfordized-will these new 47's shrink up in a cold soak. For rthe record-my old 555 '47's while a most beautiful denim have a pretty small back pocket. The new ones I have seem a little closer to the orginals.

[triniboy27]

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Tell us more about what's wrong with them? I looks like they have the narrow selvage band, which my fall 05 have... I think the spring 06 are the same, I have a pair on the way. Apart from that, I didn't notice any difference between those and the previous ones, but I don't own any 555 '47s, would be interested to know the differences.

Those old ones are looking good. My 05 are now five months old, first wash is a month away.

--- Original message by Paul T on Mar 10, 2006 11:54 AM

Hey Paul - if possible, could you take before and after pics of your 47's when you're ready to wash?

[sbrguy]

i can't speak for everyone, but i got a pair of 06 spring lvc last week that came in only 2 weeks before that to the levis store, and i cold soaked them for 8 hours overnight, and they went from a 32 length to a 29.5/.75 lenght overnight, no joke, and the waist went from 32 to 30, and over the week stretched back to 31.

so these were definintely shrink to fit, how do i know? i just bought a second pair and they meausure exactly 32/32 as said on the tag, i have not soaked them yet, but will sooner or later. these are IDENTICAL to the onese i bought 1 week ago from teh same exact store.

so that is the shrinkage you are looking at. and the leg twist was not there prior to soaking the new ones don't have it at all, the ones i soaked got the leg twist after they were soaked and hang dried.

[whorishconsumer]

I don't think anyone's reading this anymore, but I just got a pair of the LVC 1947 501s "Charlie" wash from the Fall '05 collection for 25 bucks and they say they're shrink-to-fit and they have a leg twist in the left leg.

[poly800rock]

do washed levis STF? i don't think thats right for some reason....

[rnrswitch]

I don't think anyone's reading this anymore, but I just got a pair of the LVC 1947 501s "Charlie" wash from the Fall '05 collection for 25 bucks and they say they're shrink-to-fit and they have a leg twist in the left leg.

Is the charlie a prewashed version? If it isn't dry then it should have the leg twist. The jeans can still be labeled shrink to fit if the jeans were made of unsanforized denim rather than sanforized denim. Then when the jeans were prewashed then you would get the shrinking out and the leg twist would show.

[whorishconsumer]

Is the charlie a prewashed version? If it isn't dry then it should have the leg twist. The jeans can still be labeled shrink to fit if the jeans were made of unsanforized denim rather than sanforized denim. Then when the jeans were prewashed then you would get the shrinking out and the leg twist would show.

I'm new to the whole concept of sanforized and unsanforized. Someone was try to explain it to me. Perhaps "Charlie" is not a wash, but the style of the jean - the tears, etc. Due to the twist in the left leg, I was told its unsanforized. Nonetheless, there was a cardboard tag that came with it that said it's gonna shrink. So perhaps you're right.

On that note, is it normal to just have a left leg twist. The right leg seam is relatively straight.

[Chipper]

I got the charlies 1947 dirty cheap earlier this year as well. Looks almost like the new Fall '06 Saddleman. The new 1947 raw was apparently made from cone mills denim. I have a pair I just soaked and I like the deep indigo color on them.

[whorishconsumer]

I got the charlies 1947 dirty cheap earlier this year as well. Looks almost like the new Fall '06 Saddleman. The new 1947 raw was apparently made from cone mills denim. I have a pair I just soaked and I like the deep indigo color on them.

are the fall 05s japanese selvedge?

[captain5640]

Quick question, what's the longest inseam that the LVC 47' 501 came in for Fall 06'? My pair just came in, and they are a size 36/34. I want to soak them but I'm afraid that they will end up being too short.

P.S. They look kinda streaky, which I think looks great.

[Chipper]

whorish...I believe a few models were sourced in Japan not sure exactly where but you should be able to find the thread that listed denim sources for that season. Few were sourced in the states as well if I remember correctly.

captain5640... You can check Levis website but usually they do issue 36inch inseams for each season. Just stretch those legs out while damp after the soak to prevent much shrinkage.

[captain5640]

whorish...I believe a few models were sourced in Japan not sure exactly where but you should be able to find the thread that listed denim sources for that season. Few were sourced in the states as well if I remember correctly.

captain5640... You can check Levis website but usually they do issue 36inch inseams for each season. Just stretch those legs out while damp after the soak to prevent much shrinkage.

That's what I was thinking about doing. What's the best process to do that? Thanks in advance...

[whorishconsumer]

That's what I was thinking about doing. What's the best process to do that? Thanks in advance...

The 05s I got are 38 inseam. Also, as far as stretching with my Nudie's when I washed them, I just pull on the fuckers and then hang them by the top on those pants hangers. But I don't know shit about denim.

[captain5640]

Ok, so I soaked them today. I gave them a cold soak inside out for 20 minutes. Then, I got one of those pants hangers that claps really tight and put it on the bottom of the jeans (with them folded in half length wise) so they would be hanging upside down. Then I got a couple pieces of twine and tied it to the side belt loops and the rear belt loop. After this I tied the twine to a couple bottles of laundry detergent. I then let the jeans hang and went and pulled on the inseam and outseam about every 20-30 minutes. They lost no length in the inseam, so I'm happy. This isn't the best description, so if you have any questions let me know.

[M.O.A]

hmmm...i wish i would have done...i hate 32 inch inseams cause thats what i have. I need that shit to stack a bit at the bottom. Do you guys think i could stretch them again next time i wash em in a few months?

[whorishconsumer]

just wash them now. i'm now denim-wiz, but i think you'll still get nice wear and tear after that. and in future, get 34s.

[matthewfoo]

The question was just on the placement of the seam-one washed pair that would suggest the natural twist from washed selveedge and the new pair of unwashed that also has the selvedge twisting-pre-wash, signaling that perhaps the newer models are sewn to suggest a twist-not that I really care, just from what I've heard shrink to fit is becoming a rarity and you can fake the twist. But to the experts who have bought 05-06 LVC-is it all STF or sanfordized-will these new 47's shrink up in a cold soak. For rthe record-my old 555 '47's while a most beautiful denim have a pretty small back pocket. The new ones I have seem a little closer to the orginals.

I got a pair online from denimbar, and mine also has a twist in the left leg, even tho im very sure mine is the 501 1947 deadstock unwashed. Hidden rivets, big E, one sided red tab etc, and the label inside says made in USA and to be washed before use. The paper tags were still on, so im sure they are not a returned pair that had previously been washed. I got them mid to late last year, i cant rem exactly when. But for sure mine are slightly twisted, but only on the left leg.