The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones

[WayneGibbous]

Total apples to oranges argument here.

[dolly]

Total apples to oranges argument here.

not reaaally...i mean they are of course very different musically, but apparently back when they both came out, you were either a stones fan or a beatles fan

[chronoaug]

Also, apples are way better.

[dolly]

russets are my favourite.

[16steps]

beatles all the way. John is the fuckin man! His cynicism is just as relevant now as it was back then. Their songs are well written pieces of art. They truly pioneered the way modern albums sound and are recorded. They were also the first studio band

i actually took a course on the beatles when i attended UC Santa Cruz. It was a sweet class and an easy A

[jeepster]

not reaaally...i mean they are of course very different musically, but apparently back when they both came out, you were either a stones fan or a beatles fan

or a Who fan

or a Kinks fan

or a Small Faces fan

or a Spencer Davis Group fan

or a...

could go on forever. There were a lot of groups.

[RBales]

my pops told me that when he was growing up, you were either a stones fan and liked fucking girls, or a beatles fan and like whining about how you couldn't fuck any girls.

that said, george harrison is my favorite songwriter out of both bands; though, as kunk said, some girls (the entire album) is so entirely hysterical it blows anything the beatles did out of the water. my problem with the beatles is that they simultaneously cared too much and not enough what other people thought. the stones legitimately didn't give a fuck, and they wrote like it without launching into zeppelin (which i also love) land of two hour jpj masterbatory sessions.

the beatles were pop, the stones were rock. that's all.

[Analog]

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[e0d9n0b5]

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[redshirt]

Fuck geting satisfaction. All you need is love mayne.

[cjbreed]

well, i made a decision on The Cure vs. The Smiths.

If you include morrissey's solo career, then it is the smiths

but if you don't, then i'm afraid it is still the smiths, just not by as much of a margin

just thought i'd share that

[denimdestroyedmylife]

Faust settles the debate in "Why don't you eat carrots?"

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Faust for the fucking win

[landho]

I love a Faust.... Too bad they were more interested in fucking around and smoking pot than making music at first. Kind of a waste.

[16steps]

well, i made a decision on The Cure vs. The Smiths.

If you include morrissey's solo career, then it is the smiths

but if you don't, then i'm afraid it is still the smiths, just not by as much of a margin

just thought i'd share that

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morrissey

[sonicvoodoo]

In short, The Beatles:

Two iconic bands....Stones were/are much more derivative than The Beatles..they were very heavily influenced by American r&b....the Beatles were influenced by American rock and roll but the music they made defies classification..it's a genre unto itself..their pure fuckin' genius is scary.

The Beatles were much more a studio band than the Stones. George Martin was/is a supreme innovator. His recording techniques were ground breaking.

It's a misconception that The Beatles didn't rock...Back in the USSR, Day Tripper,I Feel Fine. Girls. Help, A Hard Day's Night, I'm Down etc etc...they made not be an example of what you consider rock but it was definitely rock....also, check this obscure gem out...one of my all time favs..you'll never hear better RnR vocals

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McCartney doesn't receive much love in this thread but he composes perfect pieces and is a master musician...he plays all instruments on his first solo album.

The Stones were/are a live act with the best front person in rock history. Today,in their 60's Mick & Keith still put on an explosive show...just watch "Shine a Light"

That being said, just listen to this live version of "Gimme Shelter" from the Unreleased 1972 Decca album. Mick Taylor fuckin' wails some intense solos...remember, he's got blues roots in the Bluesbreakers a la Clapton and Peter Green(original Fleetwood Mac)and is influenced By Beck (Jeff)...speaking of Beck, I don't believe anyone mentioned The Yardbirds as one of the great bands of the era(skimmed the thread quickly) but any band that featured Clapton, Page and Beck is certainly iconic....anyway, I ramble...this is definitely the best version of Gimme Shelter I've ever heard. In fact, it's one of the best live performances I've ever heard.

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[WayneGibbous]

^Weren't you the original drummer for the Stones?

[WayneGibbous]

btw: KINKS

[Aku]

ray davies makes my heart spin. kinks > beatles > stones (I really don't like the stones though)

[WayneGibbous]

Yeah the Kinks got a raw deal in rock history. Very few people have any appreciation - or even knowledge - of the Kinks past 'You Really Got Me' or 'All Day and All of the Night'.

[Aku]

ray davies is a lyrical genius. sucks they got banned from the states for 5 years when the british invasion happened

[sonicvoodoo]

The Who get credit for writing the first "rock opera" when, in fact, Arthur came out a year before Tommy

The Kinks were at their best when the brothers were drunk and fighting.....kinda like Oasis

[WayneGibbous]

Arthur came out at the same time as Abbey Road and Led Zeppelin I. Bad timing.

[denimdestroyedmylife]

SF Sorrow came out in 1968 and is indeed a rock opera

so... Pretty Things ftw?

rock opera saved my life?

[sonicvoodoo]

^^^ good point....I really dig Pretty Things...gotta dig their stuff out and give it a listen..it's been awhile

[16steps]

It's a misconception that The Beatles didn't rock...Back in the USSR, Day Tripper,I Feel Fine. Girls. Help, A Hard Day's Night, I'm Down etc etc...they made not be an example of what you consider rock but it was definitely rock....also, check this obscure gem out...one of my all time favs..you'll never hear better RnR vocals

how could you forget helter skelter!? A song he wrote in response to the critics that said that the beatles arent a rockin band. If memory serves me correct, it was the first song to use reverb?

[Guest]

my dad summed up his dislike of the beatles by describing them as "parent approved"

[16steps]

my dad summed up his dislike of the beatles by describing them as "parent approved"

maybe up until 65......after that it was the drug years............and maybe its parent approved because thats what our parents listened to when they were youths?

[sonicvoodoo]

my dad summed up his dislike of the beatles by describing them as "parent approved"

While I understand one not wanting to deify The Beatles, I can't fathom how one could actually dislike them. Anyone with any knowledge of music or of pop culture needs to give them much respect and acknowledge their impact.

@Zubin: Helter Skelter is indeed a prime example of Beatles rock...thanks for pointing out the omission

[WayneGibbous]

Oasis sucks btw

[sonicvoodoo]

^^^^ I guess the hate apple doesn't fall far from the tree