Va. Tech SF'rs

[Tarmac]

also, I am curious why do US call foreigners residents aliens?

its a legal classification. If you are a noncitizen permanent resident (not student visa, not tourist, not dignitary etc) then you are a resident alien. If you become a citizen then none of these terms apply to you. He was not a citizen but had a green card, that's a resident alien

[superdupersang]

"Bloomberg Gun Giveaway"

seriously?

[cultpop 0217]

itsmeJT - Please take this somewhere else.

and please have some respect for our dead.

[DJ2xTech]

people shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

gun policies in the us are just lunacy

I remember reading somewhere that there was study done that found that places with more gun laws actually have more gun related crime that places with less gun laws.

They speculated that criminals are less likely to pull a gun out on people when other people could easily have guns as well to stop them from shooting.

edit: Ah I found it the book is called More Guns, Less Crime by John Lott and Professor William Lands of the University of Chicago.

"Think about it: People who are committing illegal acts are not going to be stopped because guns are illegal. What does stop them then? Often is is somebody else with a gun." - Thomas Sowell "Mass Shootings and Mass Hysteria"

[Tarmac]

I remember reading somewhere that there was study done that found that places with more gun laws actually have more gun related crime that places with less gun laws.

They speculated that criminals are less likely to pull a gun out on people when other people could easily have guns as well to stop them from shooting.

That's fun and intriguing to say, but is it true? The countries with guns allowed that I can think of is US, Brazil, etc. Countries which ban guns are places like Japan, UK. You are gonna tell me this holds true? Okay its possible, but show me the statistics.

Also, the bigger problem with guns is the ease of MASS KILLING. There is of course always going to be individual cases of premeditated homicide, in that case the weapon is nearly arbitrary. You stab someone in the neck once, you shoot someone in the neck once, its fairly similar effort. But the ease of which you can sit in a lawn chair (or stroll on campus) and kill 30 people with a gun is way easier than the effort it takes to kill 30 people with a knife.

[headcoat]

As an Asian-American with firearms, I will now be subjected to suspicious looks whenever I go to a shooting range.

[Crillz]

^^^

Boy does your life suck.

OH WAIT:

[DJ2xTech]

That's fun and intriguing to say, but is it true? The countries with guns allowed that I can think of is US, Brazil, etc. Countries which ban guns are places like Japan, UK. You are gonna tell me this holds true? Okay its possible, but show me the statistics.

Also, the bigger problem with guns is the ease of MASS KILLING. There is of course always going to be individual cases of premeditated homicide, in that case the weapon is nearly arbitrary. You stab someone in the neck once, you shoot someone in the neck once, its fairly similar effort. But the ease of which you can sit in a lawn chair (or stroll on campus) and kill 30 people with a gun is way easier than the effort it takes to kill 30 people with a knife.

I was just saying what I read somewhere before...it was an essay from Thomas Sowell and he cited More Guns, Less Crime by John Lott and Professor William Lands of the University of Chicago, so I guess the study information and statistics is in that book.

Drugs are illegal but somehow tons of people still have pot and other drugs. Underage drinking is still illegal and it still happens. Banning guns would make them illegal, but there is always a way to get it much like drugs.

I'm guessing the Japanese get enough satisfaction shooting each other with airsoft that they don't really need to go around actually killing people.

[Corbin Law]

my friends cousin was in the building at the time

he survived through it

but had to listen to the entire thing going on around him.

rest in peace. 30+

[Phantom.]

That's fun and intriguing to say, but is it true? The countries with guns allowed that I can think of is US, Brazil, etc. Countries which ban guns are places like Japan, UK. You are gonna tell me this holds true? Okay its possible, but show me the statistics.

Also, the bigger problem with guns is the ease of MASS KILLING. There is of course always going to be individual cases of premeditated homicide, in that case the weapon is nearly arbitrary. You stab someone in the neck once, you shoot someone in the neck once, its fairly similar effort. But the ease of which you can sit in a lawn chair (or stroll on campus) and kill 30 people with a gun is way easier than the effort it takes to kill 30 people with a knife.

I thought people weren't allowed to discuss politics on this board? Or is this a rumour?

So you know, there have been many mass killings in countries where firearms are illegal or hard to acquire:

UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

For the argument about the 'accuracy' of mass killings with knives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Also, there is arsony to consider as a tool as well........just as dangerous as guns in certain situations (in busy schools, etc.). Or chemicals, or suicide bombings; all of which can happen in "SAFE" countries with strict gun laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masumi_Hayashi_%28poisoner%29

Arguments about prevention of mass killings through stricter gun control are fucking stupid. There are horrible people in this world. If they truly want guns, believe me, they can get them.

Heroine is illegal; doesn't mean there aren't 50 places by my house where I can buy it.

[Aeros]

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[aitsuka]

^^^

Boy does your life suck.

OH WAIT:

man us universities are huge.

mine is only a small block in the middle of the city

[Vitamian]

I see a Nietzschean nihilism in this shooter's actions.

His amateurish plays attest to this delusional grandeur.

Although I'm quite sure some inane types will herald him as some form of a late Comte de Lautreamont.

[Guest doubletap]

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

35,000+ people die from guns every year in America, I believe thats more than all industrialized nations put together.

People need to stop buying into the gun industries bullshit propaganda. Being able to just walk in a store and buy a handgun w/o a permit, w/o a waiting period and w/o registering with the police is just not right and it is becoming a problem affecting me and many people I know.

[Guest itsmeJT]

I thought people weren't allowed to discuss politics on this board? Or is this a rumour?

So you know, there have been many mass killings in countries where firearms are illegal or hard to acquire:

UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

For the argument about the 'accuracy' of mass killings with knives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

Also, there is arsony to consider as a tool as well........just as dangerous as guns in certain situations (in busy schools, etc.). Or chemicals, or suicide bombings; all of which can happen in "SAFE" countries with strict gun laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masumi_Hayashi_%28poisoner%29

Arguments about prevention of mass killings through stricter gun control are fucking stupid. There are horrible people in this world. If they truly want guns, believe me, they can get them.

Heroine is illegal; doesn't mean there aren't 50 places by my house where I can buy it.

I think you must be stupid. You must've have looked up those links on the 'list of school massacre' page and totally ignored the fact that the US has MOST OF THE PAGE and the UK has ONLY ONE EVENT INVOLVING A GUN (Which subsequently led to the banning of handguns!).

My point is that guns increase the ease of a killer's intention to kill and that America has a LOT OF GUNS due to the fact that you've let people have a right to bear arms in the second amendment. This is bad.

If you banned handguns, I'm presuming the police would expect a drop in handgun violence (crazy I know). Since possession or distribution would be illegal there would be less guns and less distributors. I would also assume the police would be actively working to prevent upsurges in either figures. As it would be their job.

I'm not saying there won't be any guns but how can you compare drugs and guns, you do not use drugs to shoot someone in the head. Therefore I'm thinking the police would have different tactics to combat that problem. Or maybe I'm just mad.

Have a count of every act of poisoning, bombing and mad sword school massacre, add them up and then compare them against the one involving guns. Tell me, which is more prevalent? If something is easy, you're more likely to do it.

[haptronic]

with all due respect to those who died and their families

political discussion of any kind is not welcome on supertalk