SC 47's, Now W/O Pocket Stitching

[airfrogusmc]

Well I would certainly hold up my 1920s 201s made in 1999 up against any Japanese maker as far as being true to the originals. Allot of the Japanese denim I've seen is way over done as far as weight compared to original vintage Levis. Most pre 1930s Levis were 9 or 10 oz. This blue line denim on these 20s 201s is incredible. Tough as nails. Most of the other repro makers that I've seen from that have made rpros from that era have the buckles in the wrong place, the denim is 12 + ozs so until I see one of these other companies making acurate reproductions of those early Levis jeans like the 1901s, 20s 201s, 33 501s and 37 501s I'll search out the older LVCs of these models. Actually LVC will be reissuing their 33 501s raw in the fall line so I know thats where money will go.

[Guest jeffvyain]

if you like the lightweight denim then more power to you. i personally love the heavier stuff...and i haven't seen a single pair of jeans fade like the canes or eternals everyone loves. it's not a matter of being true to the originals for me. it's a matter of feeling like i'm wearing the best quality out there. i don't think i'd feel that way in any pair of Levis

[airfrogusmc]

Sounds like we are looking for two different things. I'm looking for repro jeans that are as close to being acurate to the originals as I can find. Not an improved or beefed up version. Thats not for me. If you like heavier denim thats great but there is something very cool about some of this blue line selvege or the denim LVC used on their 1901s. And those originals didn't have heavy denim, 9 or 10 oz is all the originals were

[tweeds]

true, after japan, i'd go french (ALD, APC), then Swedish, then vintage USA, then...

interesting! i'd actually do APC first, then USA (r&b, 5EP), then swedish, then try out some aussie brands cos they're closer to home. imperials, mjolk, stuff like that.

[mizanation]

if the japanese didn't exist (well, then i wouldn't exist, but follow along with me), i would probably go for imperial dukes. followed by ALD, followed by APC, followed by Ernest Sewn, followed by.... actually, somewhere in there i would go LVC.

[Chicken]

Here are some creative (and funny) ways denim makers are trying to hide arcuate stitching in their back pockets. It is an art of arcuate without arcuates. Well, sort of:

[digital_denim]

You just narc'd on all these jeans for Levi's

[Chicken]

Oh shit. I hope not. But I'll be surprised if the Levi's people have never seen these before. Pretty darn incompetent, if that was the case.

[Chicken]

But I just modified the image, just in case...

Don't snitch!

[mizanation]

chicken, have you noticed that the back stitching on jeans is like a modern-day "mon" or family crests in japanese culture?

http://www.familyemblem.com/selected.html/

[Chicken]

true. i notice some of the denim makers are using them in their patches, too (like somet). here's my family's (traced from old kimono):

[minya]

What's funny is -- and maybe this is just a testament to the power of branding -- none of the repro-Japanese arcuates really look as good to me as the one, true Levis arcuate (esp. the classic one on the '47 501). Something about the Levis arcuate looks so pure. In fact, I appreciate the Levis arcuate even more in spite or because of the repro arcuates. Chew on that, Levis hotshots! (who probably read this forum )

[mizanation]

What's funny is -- and maybe this is just a testament to the power of branding -- none of the repro-Japanese arcuates really look as good to me as the one, true Levis arcuate (esp. the classic one on the '47 501). Something about the Levis arcuate looks so pure. In fact, I appreciate the Levis arcuate even more in spite or because of the repro arcuates. Chew on that, Levis hotshots! (who probably read this forum )

agreed. another classic is lee's sine wave (sineuate?).

actually, i really like evisu's seagull symbol. i love its asymmetry.

[minya]

agreed 100%. The Evisu gull is classic... I love the way it looks. (Not when it's blown up 100x and sprawled all over the ass and down the legs of the jeans, though.)

I'm not a big fan of the Lee branding, though...

[Chicken]

What's funny is -- and maybe this is just a testament to the power of branding -- none of the repro-Japanese arcuates really look as good to me as the one, true Levis arcuate (esp. the classic one on the '47 501). Something about the Levis arcuate looks so pure. In fact, I appreciate the Levis arcuate even more in spite or because of the repro arcuates. Chew on that, Levis hotshots! (who probably read this forum )

True. It's probably one of the reasons why Levi's stood the test of time. Also, most, if not all of those Japanese repro arcuates in the photo are designed so that you can cut out the extra thread to make it look like the original arcuate. Which to me means that both the makers and the buyers agree, too. People love the arcuate.

[Chicken]

But the one in the photo, top row, second from the right, is quite ingenius to me. By adding one upside-down arcuate line, it totally looks like something else, and it's quite elegant.

[cheapmuthafukr]

yeah... thats the one that stood out to me. very nice.

[Chicken]

ahh, good eyes, captain, good eyes. the one beneath it, however, cracks me up. they can keep adding more and make something like spaghetti junction out of it (for those of you who've been to atlanta)

[airfrogusmc]

I prefer the single needle arcuate myself.....

I really DO NOT like those gull wings!!!!! Everyone has there own thing, Thats what makes this denim thing so cool. I like the early LVCs stuff both in time periods being reproduced and also the early Valencia St stuff. Its CLASSIC in both fit and style.

Seems like the real trim stuff is all the fad right now (again) Tight jeans were all the rave in the 60s & 70s. Late 80s, 90s baggy hip hop now trim again but the anti fit has remaned constant. The cut of these early Levis in my opinion still looks great. Search out a pair of 1920s or 37s and you will not be disappointed.

[cheapmuthafukr]

chicken, that one looks like my rrl

of course i took the bottom off to look like levis....

[Chicken]

i pray cmf homme will not be sued by levi's

[denimdestroyedmylife]

the single-needle arcuate sure is nice, airfrog

i love the hand-stitched a_c_a_e of the sc40400n-------space is the place

CMF, watch out for the LEVIs TM assassins, they know where you live

[airfrogusmc]

DDML Thats sweet. Nice looking denim to. Gotta good friend that just picked up some SCs. Can't wait to see'm.

[cheapmuthafukr]

i pray cmf homme will not be sued by levi's

oh... the cmf homme have blank pockets. comeon... i know my customer base, they dont want levis arcuates on thier jeans.

the others are the original rrl pocket stitching. i guess ralph is the one who should worry. the newer rrls dont have it. not the ones ive seen all over ebay at least.

[denimdestroyedmylife]

DDML Thats sweet.

exactly...........

[travisio]

this is a little bit off the topic but has anybody noticed how much the stitching on the back of men's ae jeans looks basically like the edwin thing. i'm assuming it's the ae people that "borrowed" the edwin design because i don't think edwin would want to be associated with ae jeans.

[poly800rock]

yeah, when i first started noticing edwins, i'd see all these kids with american eagle jeans and was like...why is edwin so popular?

[watchman]

yeah i did that too. I think that the loose copyright laws in japan are biting edwins ass on this one, since they probably can't sue AE for th same reasons Levis can't sue all the japanese companies that blatantly infringe them.

[Serge d Nimes]

Levis should just make a decent pair of repros so that we don't have to buy Japanese jeans.

[sell veg]

That's a shame about the cane's arcuate. I thought they were pretty innovative (in a subtle way) with the unraveling stitching. RIP.