fake clothes vs illegal downloads...

[Tyro1]

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[sidneylo]

I support an open source medium for replicating clothing and designs.

[keagan]

yeah me too. i don't like to think about it.

fuck you for bringing it up.

[mr fluffernutter]

i generally download an album before i buy it so...

i guess i would buy a fake, then if i like it... buy the real thing?

[freecat]

gizmodo: According to a University of Hertfordshire survey of 1,158 kids aged 18-24 in the UK, 95% of them have "pirated" music before. The other 5%? According or our estimates, they're either technologically illiterate or they don't like music.

I stopped buying music for buying clothes. It ends up in the same pocket right ?

[DüM]

it's not the same thing.

if I bought a CCP fencing jacket and then made copies and handed them out for free to anyone who wanted them, that'd be closer.

or if I noticed people liked the Hercules and Love Affair album and I made an album with the same beats and lyrics and then sold it for half price, that'd be closer.

[Fabulaz]

[cernunnos]

if I bought a CCP fencing jacket and then made copies and handed them out for free to anyone who wanted them, that'd be closer.

exactly.

a cd copy doesn't sound worse than original cd. that's why i never buy original cds, just copy them from friends or download from the internet. they only cds i buy are from very small labels.

i don't believe in copyright. copying cd can't be equal to stealing. because if you steal something from someone that means that this person loses this thing. which is not the case with books/music/video.

[Sayword]

I have fake selvage genes. Real Selvage.

[cheep]

So the general majority of sufuers would definately be against fake or imitation clothes... but I wonder how many of the same people have unlicesed mp3s, burnt cds, etc...

I see it as, essentially, the same thing. i.e. not paying for the design, just a cheaper medium...

discuss.

much different... you are just getting the real thing for free, not a copy for cheap.

that would be like saying that shoplifting from walmart is the same as what blackscissors is doing... which is wrong.

now, if i pirated music and then sold it for profit, then it would be close, but not the same.

[landho]

now, if i pirated music and then sold it for profit, then it would be close, but not the same.

What if you pirated the music, reduced the sound quality somewhat, and then sold it for a profit?

[DüM]

What if you pirated the music, reduced the sound quality somewhat, and then sold it for a profit?

itunes music store.

[blm14]

There's a big difference - fake clothing is typically made under horrible working conditions and is completely sold and trafficked through the black market. Which means very shady personages are responsible for moving all these clothes around, and they tend to be involved in other unethical/illegal activities.

Whereas the person producing the illegal data copies is typically speaking just your average person and there's no sweat shops etc involved.

In addition, I've been exposed to a TON of stuff from illegal downloads that I would have never even been aware of and ultimately purchased...

[gfunkdocta]

another dumb thread.

just get it how u get it, take it how u want it

[DüM]

Well, with music the price difference is usually like $15 at the most compared to hundreds of dollars from yesstyle to dior. Downloading has also gotten me into alot of artists I wouldn't have without it, and I've either bought their CDs or went to a show of theirs. Also, with the fake clothes, someone else is making the money while with the music nobody is.

[freecat]

Artists are anyway getting robbed at the very beggining of their career and somehow all along it. I'd pay for cds if money went to the artist and people who deserve it in the process.

[PaperSt.]

Most of the money made from CD sales goes to record companies not artist, thats why they do concerts frequently and sell merch at shows. The designer(s) get payed a salary or own the companies and would feel the loss much more if you stole.

Do you think Dior would give out 19cm MIJ for a donation ala Radiohead Rainbows?

[DüM]

I think it's always best to buy the CD's straight off the bands own site if possible. plus they throw extras in sometimes. free shipping a lot of the time too.

[Tyro1]

yeah I realise that record companies make most the money off cd sales, some artists end up in debt after the first albumn...

[PaperSt.]

The problem is they have to pay for the studio time, music video ect. It's like a loan they have to pay back with CD sales. even if you buy it from them they are still giving most of the money to the exec's unless they are on a indie label or something like that.

[thelion1856]

tyro, i dont see why or how you are so interested in the music industry making so much money. they are an entertainment biz.

Also do you know that the RIAA wants american ISP's and every ISP provider worldwide to charge every internet account a sales tax that would go for them for illegal downloading. thats pure shit if you ask me. so fuck them. greedy fucks. i think canadian ISP's are starting first with charging their customers the tax. i think their going for 5 to $10 extra per account.

Also japan is now banning anyone who is caught downloading illigal shit off the net. how fucked is that.

whats more is that the artists makes their money from shirts and concert appearances. now the RIAA is trying to even get a cut of their concert profits and money they make selling shirts and band memrobilia all on the basis that illigal downloads are cutting into their profits. what the fuck is that? So i hope your not in a band thats signed to a major.

[Tyro1]

in reality I care little about whether people download music... I`m not in a band, nor do I make fake clothes...

This probably couldve gone in random thoughts thread... It was just something that occured to me today reading some other threads and I was interested in opinions...

[mellowbonsai]

What if you pirated the music, reduced the sound quality somewhat, and then sold it for a profit?

itunes music store.

[noparse][/noparse]

[sidneylo]

I just had a conversation with the owner of Media Defender, the guys who have been trying to bait-n-switch torrent sites and do spying on trackers.

I wanted to slug that guy in the face.

[landho]

I just had a conversation with the owner of Media Defender, the guys who have been trying to bait-n-switch torrent sites and do spying on trackers.

I wanted to slug that guy in the face.

Tempted to neg you for not doing so!

[Clockwork_killa]

Also japan is now banning anyone who is caught downloading illigal shit off the net. how fucked is that.

Theyre trying to pass legislations to be able to do that in the UK as well now. What worries me is where they make the distinction between piracy and downloading things for free. Personally I download a lot of music online, but I dont think of myself as a pirate by any means, mainly because the stuff I download comes from small underground bands and labels. My view on the matter is, I download albums and in turn I share my own collection for others to download, so its like trading tapes back in the day. I still buy a fair amount of albums, so I feel like I support the labels I download off, but I cant help but think that I would just be labeled a criminal were anyone to ever investigate my activities. It really is insane the lengths that people are going to in order to stop "illegal activities" which so far havent proved to be in the slightest bit detrimental to the industries they supposedly affect.

Sorry for the long rant

[High Monika]

I think the OP was basing his assessment on the mental satisfaction people normally get by owning the genuine article but there isn't a direct enough correlation. I agree with DUM's assessment.

exactly.

i don't believe in copyright. copying cd can't be equal to stealing. because if you steal something from someone that means that this person loses this thing. which is not the case with books/music/video.

Kind of ignores the economic realities of trying to make a living off of any form of creative media doesn't it? People need to stop rationalizing downloading. Unless they offer it for free it's stealing. I'm not reporting you, have a nice day.

[Fookums]

^

I consider it stealing, but it's inevitable.

"Democratization" of the internet yo.

Record companies'll either collapse, or live with it.