montreal sucked!!

[Guest]

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you know what america is always gonna be great no matter what and i wouldnt live anywhere, just because it might be cool to be anti american doesnt mean you have to hop on the bandwagon. There will be a day when america is led by a moderate government and will the respect of the world again and all of you can flaunt your patriotism once more.

--- Original message by emrinder on Jul 19, 2005 01:37 PM

if the "bandwagon" is the other 150 countries in the world than i guess youre right.

do you know why poverty stricken immigrants want to come to this country? because

a- american industries and the american government exploits their home countries and citizens (mexico, china, middle east etc..) so badly that it would still be better for them to come here, work illegally, for under minimum wages with no health care. or

b- our forign policy fails to protect thier basic human rights!

its not a matter of being cool, its a matter of being aware that almost all global problems that exist today

(war, terrorism, poverty, labor exploitation, chemical and nuclear weapons , polution, drug/medical industry abuse , inflation, natural resource shortages, etc...) are direct results of americas foriegn policy and the american peoples unwillingness to make dramatic lifestyle changes.

most lazy fat-ass americans dont give a shit about anything outside of thier starbucks drinking, mcdonalds eating, walmart shopping, reality tv show watching, hummer driving, pathetic lives. they are too busy wrapped up in thier narrow minded worlds watching pointless telivision shows, listening to britney spears and engaging in blind consumerism, to really make an effort to change anything-look at the last election!

by the time i retire, i will have no social security, no health care, i wont be able to afford medicine, and will have to put my kids through one of the most expensive college systems that exist with little or no help from the government.

this country will never have a truly just government, the 2 party system is designed to keep anyone who isnt wealthy out of high level politics. all the fund raising and lobbiests are either

a-medical/drug companies,

b-oil companies, or

c- media conglomerates.

i dont hate america or americans, but get real- most of the world exists outside of this country- and this is what the rest of the world thinks about the u.s.!

[Guest]

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you know what america is always gonna be great no matter what and i wouldnt live anywhere, just because it might be cool to be anti american doesnt mean you have to hop on the bandwagon. There will be a day when america is led by a moderate government and will the respect of the world again and all of you can flaunt your patriotism once more.

--- Original message by emrinder on Jul 19, 2005 01:37 PM

if the "bandwagon" is the other 150 countries in the world than i guess youre right.

do you know why poverty stricken immigrants want to come to this country? because

a- american industries and the american government exploits their home countries and citizens (mexico, china, middle east etc..) so badly that it would still be better for them to come here, work illegally, for under minimum wages with no health care. or

b- our forign policy fails to protect thier basic human rights!

its not a matter of being cool, its a matter of being aware that almost all global problems that exist today

(war, terrorism, poverty, labor exploitation, chemical and nuclear weapons , polution, drug/medical industry abuse , inflation, natural resource shortages, etc...) are direct results of americas foriegn policy and the american peoples unwillingness to make dramatic lifestyle changes.

most lazy fat-ass americans dont give a shit about anything outside of thier starbucks drinking, mcdonalds eating, walmart shopping, reality tv show watching, hummer driving, pathetic lives. they are too busy wrapped up in thier narrow minded worlds watching pointless telivision shows, listening to britney spears and engaging in blind consumerism, to really make an effort to change anything-look at the last election!

by the time i retire, i will have no social security, no health care, i wont be able to afford medicine, and will have to put my kids through one of the most expensive college systems that exist with little or no help from the government.

this country will never have a truly just government, the 2 party system is designed to keep anyone who isnt wealthy out of high level politics. all the fund raising and lobbiests are either

a-medical/drug companies,

b-oil companies, or

c- media conglomerates.

i dont hate america or americans, but get real- most of the world exists outside of this country- and this is what the rest of the world thinks about the u.s.!

[sweet orr]

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you know what america is always gonna be great no matter what and i wouldnt live anywhere, just because it might be cool to be anti american doesnt mean you have to hop on the bandwagon. There will be a day when america is led by a moderate government and will the respect of the world again and all of you can flaunt your patriotism once more.

--- Original message by emrinder on Jul 19, 2005 01:37 PM

if the "bandwagon" is the other 150 countries in the world than i guess youre right.

do you know why poverty stricken immigrants want to come to this country? because

a- american industries and the american government exploits their home countries and citizens (mexico, china, middle east etc..) so badly that it would still be better for them to come here, work illegally, for under minimum wages with no health care. or

b- our forign policy fails to protect thier basic human rights!

its not a matter of being cool, its a matter of being aware that almost all global problems that exist today

(war, terrorism, poverty, labor exploitation, chemical and nuclear weapons , polution, drug/medical industry abuse , inflation, natural resource shortages, etc...) are direct results of americas foriegn policy and the american peoples unwillingness to make dramatic lifestyle changes.

most lazy fat-ass americans dont give a shit about anything outside of thier starbucks drinking, mcdonalds eating, walmart shopping, reality tv show watching, hummer driving, pathetic lives. they are too busy wrapped up in thier narrow minded worlds watching pointless telivision shows, listening to britney spears and engaging in blind consumerism, to really make an effort to change anything-look at the last election!

by the time i retire, i will have no social security, no health care, i wont be able to afford medicine, and will have to put my kids through one of the most expensive college systems that exist with little or no help from the government.

this country will never have a truly just government, the 2 party system is designed to keep anyone who isnt wealthy out of high level politics. all the fund raising and lobbiests are either

a-medical/drug companies,

b-oil companies, or

c- media conglomerates.

i dont hate america or americans, but get real- most of the world exists outside of this country- and this is what the rest of the world thinks about the u.s.!

sweet-orr

[emrinder]

Well if youre so worried than why dont you go over to one of these places and perform charity work, or maybe donate that $300 you were gonna spend on some selvedge. Dont think youre better htan anyone else because youre the same over indulgent american asshole we all are. And germany and france have far worse foreign policy regarding farm subsidies slowing development in the smae places you pointed out...so get real wanting to protect yourself is the real interest every country.

PS- my parents were Indian immigrants

you know you have to pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues

[showbiz00ditc]

man its good to see an indian on a fashion board... my schools probably 80% sikh (not to mention its a private christian school)...i'm friends with the 'desi's' but for the most part they have no sense of style... i guess its not just the brown guys tho... majority of the world doesnt (in the eyes of a superfuter'er that is)

[sweet orr]

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Well if youre so worried than why dont you go over to one of these places and perform charity work, or maybe donate that $300 you were gonna spend on some selvedge. Dont think youre better htan anyone else because youre the same over indulgent american asshole we all are. And germany and france have far worse foreign policy regarding farm subsidies slowing development in the smae places you pointed out...so get real wanting to protect yourself is the real interest every country.

PS- my parents were Indian immigrants

--- Original message by emrinder on Jul 19, 2005 06:24 PM

i never said i was better than anyone else, and i do happen contribute money to various charities and political orginizations. i am sorry if i offended you, but i was illustrating a point that most people overlook, and i stand by my opinion. i am a very conscience consumer, i dont drive a car, and i dont support companies that manufacture things in questionable areas. i am not trying to be self rightous, so sorry if that tone came off...

sweet-orr

[Serge d Nimes]

Right on sweet-orr!

I drive a car, but it runs on biodiesel made from waste vegetable oil. If you wanna read a little (1600 pages) about oil politics I suggest you read The Prize by Daniel Yergan.

and those $300 selvage jeans will outlast 30 pairs of any distressd denim, so consider it being a smart consumer.

Carpe Denim!

Edited by Serge d Nimes on Jul 19, 2005 at 07:01 PM

Edited by Serge d Nimes on Jul 19, 2005 at 07:04 PM

[darknworn]

can we all just get along.

this isn't the forum for politics. you can't try to solve problems that have been in existence since the founding of ancient greece.

you shouldn't feel guilty because you live in a wealthy and powerful nation. gotta give credit where credit's due. our ways of economic and political organizations have proven to give us what we want over the past two hundred years. but with wealthy and power comes responsibility. this second half of the equation seems to have been drowned out in popular and media cultures lately...and not enough people can be bothered to look for it. people fundamentally do not want to change, and the more you try to push the issues the harder you will find the resistance. nothing you can do but live according to your conscience. the world will move on its course accordingly.

can we now get back to materialistic discussions please? even i bore myself with this heavy thinking.

"God is Dead" - Neitzsche

"Neitzsche is Dead" - God

[sweet orr]

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can we all just get along.

this isn't the forum for politics. you can't try to solve problems that have been in existence since the founding of ancient greece.

you shouldn't feel guilty because you live in a wealthy and powerful nation. gotta give credit where credit's due. our ways of economic and political organizations have proven to give us what we want over the past two hundred years. but with wealthy and power comes responsibility. this second half of the equation seems to have been drowned out in popular and media cultures lately...and not enough people can be bothered to look for it. people fundamentally do not want to change, and the more you try to push the issues the harder you will find the resistance. nothing you can do but live according to your conscience. the world will move on its course accordingly.

can we now get back to materialistic discussions please? even i bore myself with this heavy thinking.

--- Original message by darknworn on Jul 19, 2005 07:14 PM

the last thing i want to do is make enimies, so sorry dudes...

....you are totally correct that you shouldnt feel gulity about living in a wealthy nation, i dont, and i enjoy nuturing a healthy/responsible economy. part of my point is that most americans take for granted what they have, and dont even think about what responsiblities they should have...

so anyways- i'll stick to denim...

sweet-orr

[emrinder]

Fair enough, I understand the evils of the US and it's policies and what it does. I just wanted the over bashing of america to stop. I was jsut trying to make a point about selvedge anyway, i'm into it myself.

- I live in new york and dont have alot of indian friends but theyre dressed fairly decent. It's really the same thing all of america wears but it's what they want to wear so it doesnt bother me that much.

you know you have to pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues

[kyl]

sblande, great post. I'll be back in montreal in a week and thanks for the tips.

Where are Globe, Time ect. located? What's the dress code?

What is Cafeteria like? atmosphere? Sound like my crowd (50% young, jewish, spoiled 20yo,). (i'm 19)

where is it?

[Cue]

It's never cool to be overly Nationalistic in another country ...

Some Brits do it abroad, Aussies and Kiwis and Yanks do it in London bigtime... it just pisses off the locals - and the Brits/Aussies/Kiwis/Yanks who are hanging out chilling and not making a dick of themselves

Oh, and can anyone tell me why so many Canadian travellers have a Canadian Flag on their bags? Pride? Or so not to be thought American?

[sr20det]

^^ kyl, cafeteria is on st.laurent from what i recall. a bit pretentious but chock full of eye candy.

"thrust, kill, destroy, stress"

[RedFoxxworth]

WHOA off topic...

Back to Montreal.

I think I ate a Cafeteria. They played great music and I had a delightful meal.

DON'T GO TO STEREO. Seediest spot ever ever ever. 50% shirtless gay dudes giving you the creepy gay dude stare. I wanted to puke. I was scared to even touch someone. The coolest person there was the drug dealer. He was friendly and helpful with all of my requests. But it was like a gay drug den. Plus wack chicks with those crazy cocaine-ectasy eyes like "Give me blow you might get blown."

Circus is the new afterhours jumpoff. And other than that... My favorite thing about Montreal is this:

Actin' bad like a kid at Six Flags...

[Good]

The flag on the bag is mainly to avoid being confused for an American. You'd be surprised at the immediate difference it can make. There're actually a few companies who produce and sell Canadian flasg/patches/tshirts to Americans, marketing them as a sort of vacation essential when traveling overseas. Funny stuff.

[showbiz00ditc]

hahaha yea i heard of a kit being sold in america... with all the appropriate items to be viewd upon as canadian

[sblande]

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sblande, great post. I'll be back in montreal in a week and thanks for the tips.

Where are Globe, Time ect. located? What's the dress code?

What is Cafeteria like? atmosphere? Sound like my crowd (50% young, jewish, spoiled 20yo,). (i'm 19)

where is it?

--- Original message by kyl on Jul 20, 2005 08:22 AM

Globe--St. Laurent, just north of Sherbrooke on the east side.

Time--997 st. jaques (corner of de la cathedrale)

Cafeteria--small, dark, tables everywhere. people as previously stated...known to be a blow haven with people who like blow. it's "chic," but in a somewhat contrived way. i go there because i know people who go there. i've never tried to talk to anyone i didn't know. most people there know many there...so it's almost like a non-sanctioned social club for the aged (20-30) "trendy" prep-schoolers. most people there speak english primarily, and there's lots of italians and a few montreal jackasses.

all these places don't have a dress code...i've never not gotten in because of clothing. it's more about not looking like a herb. oh, no shorts.