HARDCORE SAVED MY LIFE

[tylortakahisa]

oh and SOUND AND FURY 09' has been posted!

http://www.myspace.com/soundandfuryfestival

bummer im gunna miss it

[tylortakahisa]

oh and SOUND AND FURY 09' has been posted!

http://www.myspace.com/soundandfuryfestival

bummer im gunna miss it

[heBAY]

word yeah i feel you on that one^. Can anyone reccomened me good powerviolence bands. i already know about Iron lung and I'm really into them. But I'd like to know more.

Spazz is great. Seriously. But there's a handful, at least, of different flavors regarding powerviolence. Plus there was regional shit going on. Off the top, I recommend:

-Infest (sorta the pioneering force...unless you wanna talk about shit like Siege)

-No Comment

-Crossed Out (any "angry angry" band who plays songs anywhere from 4 seconds to 1.5 minutes must pay tribute)

-Neanderthal

-Dropdead (crustier, more political flip to the subgenre...East Coast PV)

-BLACK ARMY JACKET (NYC PV...definitely a bit more modern sounding than stuff like Infest)

-C.R. (once again, NYC PV greats)

I'd say check out the powerviolence/fastcore meets sludge thread I made a while back on here. Lotsa great bands mentioned there.

[heBAY]

word yeah i feel you on that one^. Can anyone reccomened me good powerviolence bands. i already know about Iron lung and I'm really into them. But I'd like to know more.

Spazz is great. Seriously. But there's a handful, at least, of different flavors regarding powerviolence. Plus there was regional shit going on. Off the top, I recommend:

-Infest (sorta the pioneering force...unless you wanna talk about shit like Siege)

-No Comment

-Crossed Out (any "angry angry" band who plays songs anywhere from 4 seconds to 1.5 minutes must pay tribute)

-Neanderthal

-Dropdead (crustier, more political flip to the subgenre...East Coast PV)

-BLACK ARMY JACKET (NYC PV...definitely a bit more modern sounding than stuff like Infest)

-C.R. (once again, NYC PV greats)

I'd say check out the powerviolence/fastcore meets sludge thread I made a while back on here. Lotsa great bands mentioned there.

[heBAY]

also...for really really dirty tri-vocal'd PV (much like Spazz...except the songs are a bit less "jokey"/more pissed), check out Forced Expression. Daryl from Citizens Arrest was part of that project and it's great.

[heBAY]

also...for really really dirty tri-vocal'd PV (much like Spazz...except the songs are a bit less "jokey"/more pissed), check out Forced Expression. Daryl from Citizens Arrest was part of that project and it's great.

[tylortakahisa]

word yeah i feel you on that one^. Can anyone reccomened me good powerviolence bands. i already know about Iron lung and I'm really into them. But I'd like to know more.

Extortion is another sick band, from Australia

ther pretty rad

and ther artwork is OD, singer draws it all

saw them at school once, sick ass show

iron lung was supposed to play after them but shit got cancelled...bummer

[tylortakahisa]

word yeah i feel you on that one^. Can anyone reccomened me good powerviolence bands. i already know about Iron lung and I'm really into them. But I'd like to know more.

Extortion is another sick band, from Australia

ther pretty rad

and ther artwork is OD, singer draws it all

saw them at school once, sick ass show

iron lung was supposed to play after them but shit got cancelled...bummer

[knox]

good looks to everyone:D

ill be checking all bands

and wow sound and fury is looking dopee.

[knox]

good looks to everyone:D

ill be checking all bands

and wow sound and fury is looking dopee.

[fang]

i <3 trash talk and ceremony.

anyone going to the no for an answer reunion show @ chain?

[fang]

i <3 trash talk and ceremony.

anyone going to the no for an answer reunion show @ chain?

[handsome_devil]

i know this isnt hardcore but still one of the heaviest band ever

[sean_]

yo i just got turned on to this other band (im assuming) called death, from the early 70s, all black proto-punk/hardcore kinda thing... super rad

i also definitely first got into that extortion band because of the artwork. shit is awesome.

[jeepster]

yeah, Death are rad. not exactly "hardcore", but definitely a precursor overall.

Drag City just reissued all 7 of their recorded tracks.

I have to say, I've been listening to Bad Brains a lot more lately, and the only hardcore band I can think of that touches on their legacy of awesomeness is The Pist, and they really don't sound anything alike. But wow, there aren't many GREAT hardcore bands anymore. It's all become so divided into random sub-genres and styles... mad stoopz.

Just play straight ahead rock and roll fast. That's what BB and the Pist did. geez.

[heBAY]

I would have to disagree with the above statement max.

In one sense, that's basically saying, don't progress...sound like '81. I love the Bad Brains, all the DIschord shit, Negative Approach, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, etc...but those are all the super classics...you're almost expected to love and know 'emt, just like one's expected to know Wu Tang Clan's Enter The 36 or better yet, Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation... and NWA Straight Outta Compton (in a Hip Hop sense...before one could really be considered a "relevant listener/voice").

I feel like once the much varied 90's stuff really hit home with me, I put that old stuff away...it comes out hereand there of course...esp. at a party or bbq or some shit...but the science of those oldies has been re-exercised tenfold. I'd hate to hear another band come out playing "that old school hardcore punk"...it's 2009. I take back everything I ever said, many moons ago, about liking GOvernment Warning ...for that same reason.

You could apply and argue that same point to the recent resurgence of powerviolence bands (wasn't there a famous quote like "blast beats are so '94"...or was it '96?)...and I DO apply it to the streams of unoriginal bands who simply just got together after finding a group of friends who shared their love for Siege and Infest. I can't front though...I find mimicking the very basic '77-'83 foundation of the music, in this day and age, even worse...an act worthy of being called parody (though I do think it's cool when a sick band "lifts" a classic guitar riff and flips it in their own way, the act of lifting is an obvious statement of homage-pay). Perhaps cause it was so long ago and completely dated (kinda like if 3 white guys wanted to form a Hip Hop group by following the formula the Beastie Boys did on License To Ill...it would sound incredibly stale)...also perhaps it's due to closing off the crazy amounts of otherworldly influences that have been woven into hardcore since (esp.) the late '80's/early '90's.... the lines have been blurred (i.e. "metallic hardcore" has come a long way since the crossover era of DRI and shit like Agnostic Front)...

In another sense, that's already what aforementioned bands like Spazz and No Comment (etc. etc. etc.) were doing...playing straight ahead rock and roll...REALLY FUCKING fast.

Spiel, over. Sorry, I'm kinda flu'ish right now...delirium kicked in a while ago.

Now, if you're in a band that simply harnesses the spirit and energy of '77-'83, that's a different story...

[heBAY]

Basically, I'm saying that the "true" sub-genres of hardcore that came out in the 90's are great and all the more interesting/intricate...so much to pick up.

A counter thought would be that it takes too much time to get into a lot of the tech'ier bands when comparing that to putting on the A-Side of any 7", 10", or LP from any of the first wave hc bands. You either liked what you first heard or you didn't.

[jeepster]

see, my problem with it is that I was brought up on the classics, like the NEED TO KNOW stuff like you mentioned, but when I was going out to shows, I wasn't exposed to anything really like that save for the Pac-Men (ex-Pist), and Self-Defense, both notable CT hardcore bands.

But my greatest problem, looking back, was going to a hardcore show and seeing a metal band. Bands that went far and beyond the basic 4 chord structure into some sort of ultra-song that effectively did away with the idea behind hardcore - simple, fast, violent, and primal. Bad Brains obviously did an inversion of this as their material was decidedly detailed and varied, but what I'm saying is this: I don't want my hardcore to sound like metal, I don't want my metal to sound like hardcore.

I find it very silly and tedious to try and boil down all the intricacies of each genre, but the more divided it becomes, the more the main tenet of hardcore gets lost, and thats to bring people together with energy and music. I've seen metal kids stomp out hardcore kids, and powerviolence kids beat up grindcore kids, and honestly, the bands didn't sound any different than whoever was on before. It's silly and honestly cliched to see that hardcore has become so genre specific that there's no fun left in it.

Obviously there are exceptions like Righteous Jams and some 90's hold-outs, but still, I think it just becomes a vicious cycle of contradictions and BS after a while when you have 407891 genres of the same type of music.

[sawn-off chef]

lol i miss righteous jams.

i have been listening to polar bear club a shit load lately, though i know it's not exactly hardcore per sé however everyone i know who likes hardcore likes them. still love american nightmare and the suicide file, hope con too.

[heBAY]

true...I see where you're coming from.

The element of being ultra knit-picky (D-Beat vs. Crust...and even some Powerviolence vs. Grind) can definitely get downright pretentious and find itself fading into straight up tedium. Furthermore, the kids who start shit with other kids just for being “different” are cornballs and hypocrites.

I hear you about the "fun, violent, primal" thing...but I think we're just going to continue in this mode of agreeing to disagree when it comes to hardcore that doesn't structurally stick to tradition (i.e. hardcore with metal, noise, math/jazz, etc. elements thrown in the mix). I like to believe that the original idea behind hardcore can expand...and that there is room for bands who play different variables of said expansion.

The greatest example is one of my absolute favorite bands, no matter the genre, Rorschach (big surprise). I just can't deny how fucking brutal and sick they were. Raw. Technical. Hardcore. Their sound was progressive (points deducted for using such a cliche as fuck term, I know)...in that they sounded like a seamless blend of Black Flag meets Slayer, bands that I, and the rest of my friends, loved (not to mention the undeniable "white streak" of influence stemming from Die Kreuzen, Napalm Death and even, later, The Swans). A band that does covers King Crimson, Septic Death, and mid-Rollins era Black Flag...why not?

Usual Rorschach worship aside...

[heBAY]

I think the real problem lies with bands, no matter the genre...but especially in hardcore, creating/releasing songs that are super-polished in mix. Where it sounds like the engineer fell asleep on the compressor and juiced the shit out of the music (creating that "loud" quality akin to the new/utterly dreadful Metallica album). Some people call that type of shit a "superb recording" because it is so loud and clear sounding...but I truly think it takes away from the rawness of the music. Not that every band should record on a shitty old Tascam or Fostex analog 4-track...a little clarity and polish is welcomed, but once your sound/tone starts getting on par with Lamb Of God or a Nu-Metal Danzig...you've lost yourself a listener.

I was also going to cite Outkast, for another (genre’s) example of expanding on the original idea/intent. I mean shit, Hip Hop essentially started as competitive party music.

[poly800rock]

yeah, Death are rad. not exactly "hardcore", but definitely a precursor overall.

Drag City just reissued all 7 of their recorded tracks.

I have to say, I've been listening to Bad Brains a lot more lately, and the only hardcore band I can think of that touches on their legacy of awesomeness is The Pist, and they really don't sound anything alike. But wow, there aren't many GREAT hardcore bands anymore. It's all become so divided into random sub-genres and styles... mad stoopz.

Just play straight ahead rock and roll fast. That's what BB and the Pist did. geez.

the pist were so great. "they got you by the balls so just turn your head and cough..."

[jack napier]

for anyone that cares... new converge album teaser.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=103836067&blogID=477565241

[fang]

got my ticket already. just gotta figure out how i'm getting there.

[knox]

ahhh^ I want to see Rotting Out so baddly. That show looks sick

[LetsGetSerious]

converge ceremony pulling teeth show tomorrow night.

not sure if I can go due to my night class and a fuckton of projects to do, but maybe.

[HermitEdge]

speaking of RJ's, anybody wanna buy my sleeveless RJ's shirt with a mock Straight Ahead logo? The sleeves were taken off with precision via loosening the hem technique. This in opposition to the scissors method, which would be more suitable for NYHC circa 82, say at an The Abused show at A7 or gear you wear while moshing to The Psychos.

13 shipped

[heBAY]

I somehow feel compelled to post pictures of my "more rare" shirt collection...

Speaking of nifty, wetdream-worthy, visuals focused around memorabilia... I just picked up, whilst in a random bookstore on a whim, Radio Silence ...a book covering the history of hardcore from the roots to '94.

I was apprehensive at first, being that I have already seen American Hardcore a bunch of times through and most of these book/photo retellings merely scratch the surface with the usual cast of 80's basics. Any regular head will know enough about the Bad Brains, Black Flag, D.C./Dischord, the Boston Crew, SoCal, and perhaps Detroit/midwest... and thanks to the clear layout, which kept the pages moving with growing interest, I hit a page with a bit on Citizens Arrest, Rorschach, and Born Against. That instantly widened my eyes/// plus there's a bit on Gravity Recs and the early Screamo movement.

The element which ended up sealing the deal for me, was the beautiful album cover art photo collection...a little conceptual layout piece that lasts a few pages. Really nice to look at. There's a t-shirt section too...but I found that to be a little skimpy/less jawdropping (probably cause I expected a gang of RARE gems to be displayed across the pages...)...

Either way...a good addition to any library, coffee table, etc.

[Double D]

I hear you about the "fun, violent, primal" thing...but I think we're just going to continue in this mode of agreeing to disagree when it comes to hardcore that doesn't structurally stick to tradition (i.e. hardcore with metal, noise, math/jazz, etc. elements thrown in the mix).

I think it should probably be noted that the first wave hardcore bands such as Bad Brains and Black Flag did all that and more... it wasn't until the second wave that the 'traditional sound' really got defined, and that's what people are usually referring to.

[heBAY]

^agreed...very much so.