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[mlproject]

i feel like haze is a totally different situation. he's one guy. he put his tag on a shirt to sell. there's no confusion there.

irak putting their stuff out there is kind of a catch 22. i see someone wearing it as repping those dudes, which is fine whatever the reason (you painted with them 'back in the day,' your homies know them, you like their clothing, etc). personally, i wouldn't wear it because coming out of writing, i'm not part of their crew. it is interesting to see the shirts of just the tag --- it kind of references how those dudes used to tag bums all the time.

that's great - you paint. i'm always happy to see people wrecking shop and doing it well, but that's another pissing contest alltogether, especially considering graffiti's current state of affairs.

feel free to move to supertrash or wherever this belongs

[lms]

I agree with you for different reasons.

[sycamore no more]

I highly doubt even members of IRAKGRAFGANG would even wear a shirt that says their crew name on it. Cops are real strict about that kind of shit here in San Francisco. If they see a bomb on the street and they see it on a article of clothing, you will instantly be questioned.

[englandmj7]

Entirely off subject, but I met Haze at the Nike LA White Dunk party last year and he is a fucking nice dude.

[sycamore no more]

A grip of people nowadays are bringing graffiti into a different direction. Personally I think graffiti should stay on the street. There are some people who throw graf in art galleries, graphic design, and clothing. One person that does this that would be a very good example would be GREY PVC. Sometimes I think it's wrong because its not where its suppose to be but an argument against that would be if you're good at something why would it be such a bad thing to make money off of it?

[Icicle Cubicle]

Seventh Letter = west coast version of IRAK, no?

[SpillSuppressor]

I think it would be more like wearing an MSK shirt. I think Seventh Letter is pretty much more of a company than a crew.

[sycamore no more]

There are some people who are in IRAK on the west coast.

[camthrax]

as for 7th letter, Ive seen more of 7th letter on walls than on tees on the street.

[artificialsky]

a certain unnamed seattle store carries irak.

SEATTLE!? i don't get it.

[holeinthewall]

apparently dash snow writes in irak; my roomate has flicks of evidence he took a trip to atlanta about three years ago.

[SpillSuppressor]

I think this does well to describe what The Seventh Letter was thinking...

http://www.knowngallery.com/blog/post/revok-representing-the-seventh-letter-at-agenda

[sycamore no more]

Haha I didn't know how ugly Revok was.

Fuck LA.

[C0C0]

i think anyone that's into graff would find it difficult to walk around rocking someone else's crew or tag on themselves

[Crillz]

I think anyone who's into not looking stupid would find it difficult to wear an IRAK tee.

Except for 78's Twin Towers shirt, that's one of the best t-shirt graphics to come out in a long time.

[notesee]

apparently dash snow writes in irak; my roomate has flicks of evidence he took a trip to atlanta about three years ago.

Dash Snow is Sace.

[mlproject]

all the irak guys are onto bigger things now. if you've opened up an issue of mass appeal (especially #10 or any alife curated issue) or any new art magazine in the past 6 months, you've seen them. they're modeling, running colothing companies, but still living that lifestyle. that's why some of them are famous beyond the graff game.

i didn't see 7th letter appear on pieces until the clothing line. its not like they made MSK / AWR shirts, but their line just echoes the teched out graffiti they're putting on walls (except for push who always seemed to be pushing the envelope in the style dept - his paintbrush piece from scribble '02? i love it.). i think this is way different. irak just seemed like an extension of their antics rather than a separate entity - selling $45 tees to party on the markup. i don't blame them.

regardless, i'm not hating on anyone for wearing it. i love their play on the i<3ny logo and some of the other stuff they've been coming out with. i just kind of hope people know what it stands for and what it came from. knowing that, i couldn't wear it, because coming out of graff, acting like you're down with ___ and ____ just doesn't sit well.

[holeinthewall]

yeah i know now it was just news to me

[Icicle Cubicle]

im just glad you superfolk are up on graf. thats the dopeness.

[werdtoyourmoms]

i'm not sure if this thread counts as "being up on graff"

personally, i think this is the corniest thread in like, the last 6 months.

A grip of people nowadays are bringing graffiti into a different direction. Personally I think graffiti should stay on the street. There are some people who throw graf in art galleries, graphic design, and clothing. One person that does this that would be a very good example would be GREY PVC. Sometimes I think it's wrong because its not where its suppose to be but an argument against that would be if you're good at something why would it be such a bad thing to make money off of it?

dude, are you kidding? this is the same stupid ass "dilemma" that's been going on for the last 20 years, and it's tired! graphic design with graffiti is a fucking joke.

[lms]

^^^ you won the thread!

has nebody heard of bansky? where can i get his t-shirts?????????????????????????????????????????

[soundune]

BANKSY is a british artist. famous for putting up his own installations, unbeknownst to museum staff, in famous art galleries around the globe. i don't know what t shirt you're talking about

[nappyhead jenkins]

I mean that I heart Irak shirt is good design I dont dee how wearing it makes anybody a poser

[soundune]

here's my take on this argument: it's drawn out way too long and has been discussed under a myriad of guises a million times in sufu.

how is it any different wearing ALIFE, SUPREME or aNYthing on your chest? They are all cliqueish labels that are run by a bunch of guys you could call a "crew" maybe they don't throw tags but that's not the point. FUCK, get over this shit.

it all comes down to wearing SOMEONE else's creation, idea, identity, style on a frame that didn't have any hand in inventing it. unless we're wearing our own shit we sewed together in our basements we're all promoting someone else's fucking "crew"

don't like it? start your own t shirt company!

[mlproject]

what ever happened to grey? last i heard from him was when i came across his myspace page talking about the nights he was djing house.

[eastcoastrider27]

I can understand why you might have that opinion mlproject. The thought of non-writers repping a crew across their chest is odd to say the least.

But I'm not gonna tell someone what they can or can't wear.. Especially when it isn't my shit. I think it's silly for someone who isn't down with the lifestyle to wear gear with such a powerful association, but it's not really my place to say anything.

Earsnot made the decision to make some tees to get some $. At the end of the day, the people who are wearing his gear falls on him, not anybody else.

As far as people who actually do write wearing the gear goes, that seems fine to me. You're supporting a crew that paid it's dues in the streets and now is making some $ off it. I can respect that. It's a lot more respectable than cats with no graff affiliation making a buck off it.

[eastcoastrider27]

[mlproject]

sounds like we're on the same page, eastcoast.

nice sane flick.

[Tronics]

It just had to get to this didn't it.

I feel sorry for them.

[Icicle Cubicle]

i'm not sure if this thread counts as "being up on graff"

personally, i think this is the corniest thread in like, the last 6 months.

"being up on graff" meaning, i come to sufu to discuss/learn about fashion, and to see people here mentioning writing makes me happy.

dude, are you kidding? this is the same stupid ass "dilemma" that's been going on for the last 20 years, and it's tired! graphic design with graffiti is a fucking joke.

im quite proud of my "fucking joke" tee's circa 1991, bitches.