Question - 1950's Levi's non selvage 501xx ?

[__3xL]

I came across a pair of levis at a vintage store from 1951 - it has all the labels on it , says 1951 .. They are definately old the denim is a pretty blue and they smell older .

according to the levi's page for 1950 501xx - it has selvage yet this pair does not .

Possible fakes ?

help me out - I'll post the photo of the levi's jean book page if you guys need me to

[airfrogusmc]

I think they should be selvege? Didn't Levis switch to larger looms in the early 1980s?

[digital_denim]

Dunno if this helps, if you can read japanese, it may offer you an answer.

[tweeds]

wow that page rocks. hey digital could you take a closer shot of those pictures of the jean details?

[__3xL]

thanks digital - do you have the 1960's page out of curiosity ?

I know they are pre-70's models but I think the paper labels were placed onto these jeans or something . so maybe they're 60's

air - I have no idea - someone help

[airfrogusmc]

I think I remember something about little e in the 70s and wide looms in the early 80s? I'm sure Paul T could shed a little light.

[digital_denim]

[__3xL]

well they weren't big E - paper label with 501 typewriter style - and no black bartacks which means pre 1967 ... non selvage 1940's-1960's 501 ? jeesh ..

Ok digital denim - pull up the 1964 to 1967 page please ...

thanks guys

Oh and if i remember right the main stitching - everything except the arctuate wasn't tan/gold/yellow .. it was either dark blue or black - it didnt stand out

[digital_denim]

[__3xL]

hmm really no details cant tell but thank you very much digital much 'preciated

[mopar_jj]

hey numero post some pics of the jeans if you can, that would help out.

p.s are they button or zip?

[__3xL]

no pics they were at my local shop - didn't take camera with me but will this week if they are still there !

I'm pretty sure they are in fact old levis deadstock and all - but I just thought ALL pre-1967 or so levi's were selvage . Then after they introduced the black bartacks they started variating denim used ...

confused

OOPS - they were button fly 501 .. inside tag had no wings

[Shorty Long]

as far as I know, all 501's made before '83 had redline selvedge...the ones in question sound a bit fishy to me

[airfrogusmc]

SL Thats kinda what I thought and was getting at in my post.

[__3xL]

Take a look here guys http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110000331430&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=001

I asked him for photos - his are non selvage as well . little E 1966

[airfrogusmc]

I was under the impression that the little e didn't appear till the early 1970s. Isn't that correct? So if that is true I'd be very skeptical.

[airfrogusmc]

Theres allot of bogus levis stuff on e-bay. Ya gotta be careful. Just one example.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1920s-VINTAGE-LEVIS-Double-Cinch-BIG-E-Jeans_W0QQitemZ300001107964QQihZ020QQcategoryZ11483QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Double needle arcuate and funky side straps.....Same seller has another funny 1930s listed. 0 transactions....

[airfrogusmc]

Also check out the so called 1890s jeans he's selling. Belt loops, no buckle, no suspender buttons....Also these 1890s sould be pre red line and the red Levis tag didn't show up until mid 1930s.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1890s-VINTAGE-LEVIS-MINERS-BIG-E-JEANS_W0QQitemZ7776575364QQihZ018QQcategoryZ11483QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[__3xL]

^^ no no - but his grandfather was a Texas goldminer in the 19 century. Thats where the jeans came from ...

my ass ..

[MilSpex]

Can someone confirm the significance of A type and S type LEVI`s? Does the S stand for sanforized and does A type generally sell for more? I used to know but I`m unsure now. One of the pages above has stuff about it but my Jap reading ability is almost 0. Cant see the katakana for sanforized tho.

[Paul T]

A and S were factory seconds; I believe the S was lower quality, and would have more stitching errors etc.

[MilSpex]

A and S were factory seconds; I believe the S was lower quality, and would have more stitching errors etc.

ah yeah, thats right. I remember some Japanese dude telling me. My Big E 505s are A-type irregulars, I cant find any faults on them tho.

[mopar_jj]

My understanding is that the A,S,F series were used from around 1966-1968 where the factory were selling seconds, where the seconds were the "F" model

A = No flaws, pristine stitching Grade A

S = Satisfactory stitching may be off, etc

F= Failure - Factory seconds

[MilSpex]

mine are dated around 1967 so that makes sense.

[__3xL]

Wow mil this thread is almost akin to a '67 post

:-)