a pictorial comparison of my levi's (1947 501 vs premium skinners vs capital E skinners)

[Guest]

hey guys, i've been lurking for a while, but this is my first post. became a denim freak around the start of this year.

my first attempt at dry denim was a pair of premium skinner rigids. i was trying to gain weight for about a year for bulkin/athletic reason (put on over 30 lbs, 130--->160) so these where in 36(!!!)x32. i'm 5'6'' btw. i knew they would shrink, thats why i sized up. a 34x32 would have fit me pretty damn good back then i think.

here they are at about 4 months, no wash, lots of starch.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/a3bf778e.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/681b111b.jpg

then i started cutting about a month ago, and lost about 10 lbs. (160--->150lbs), and now my jeans fit like crap, and i started to realize i don't really like the flared boot cut that much. either way i got a pair of capital E skinner (levi's replace ment for the premium line) in 32x32. they are a one wash i think. the denim felt light wieght so i was gonna plan on wearing them once it gets warmer up here in seattle. i haven't even worn these yet, but i've been spraying starch on them like a mad man.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/be4fa080.jpg

capital E tag, i think they use denim on a broken twill? it looks very slubby and the cotten isn't wound tight, and a really nice looking shimmer effect. has nice two tone thread detailing almost everywhere that i think is cool.

then just this weekend i got my hands on a pair of 1947 LVC 501xx repos. i got these in 32x32, and i think they fit me pretty well. i started breaking them in right away. it felt sad to abandon my premium skinners but oh well. i don't even know what to do with the capital E skinners now.

so here are some pics and details i noticed:

pics of the 501:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/efddd139.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/e45812b0.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/30edeb6e.jpg

tags, looks like these were deadstock from 2003? notice selvedge line goes all the way up

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/a0cafdd4.jpg

leather tag

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/7d2b5d00.jpg

selvedge line, pretty tight construction.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/42c6d159.jpg

rivits

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/6056c160.jpg

big E LEVI red tag, two tone stitching, sorry crappy pic

comparison pics

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/da98b1fa.jpg

from top to bottem: premium, 1947, capital E

the indigo is different on all 3 pairs. the 1947 is more purpleish (so cool), the cap E is most shimmery and very dark, the 4 moth old premiums are pretty blue.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/dea1e593.jpg

button/rivits details, colors, designs. the 1947 and cap E and hand pressed rivits i think. the cap E ones are still really sharp!! the premiums are machine pressed i think and are very smooth.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/aac66722.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/1bae496b.jpg

notice selvedge on coin pocket on 1947. cap E has writting on the inner pockets. i would say the cap E are the most "funky" and non traditional with the two tone thread details. they also have a very dark brown leather back tag and a wavery kinda nervous feel on the tradmark back pocket design stitching (sorry no pic).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/9e278d2a.jpg

here are pics with the 1947's on

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/b2a34a4b.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/908b3f3f.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/727913a1.jpg

questions/comments?

what can you tell me about these 1947's? i don't know much about them. i think i may be able to get my hands on a pair of 32x34 and maybe even more. how much do they normally run for?

[lilbucu]

hello superfuture...

Edited by lilbucu on Apr 10, 2006 at 02:29 AM

[Guest]

ok, had to retype:

quicky:

i'm new, lurked for a while. got into dry denim at the start of the year. i was 5'6 160 (was my first bulking cycle which lasted for about a year, came up from 130lbs). first pair was levi premium skinner rigids that i wore for over 4 months. i was fatty mc fat fat at the time and rocked 36(!!!)x32. my thighs didn't even fit in the 32x32 size. unlike alot of people i see, i don't have carrot legs, kinda sucks cause i can't pull off certain looks, but at least i can squat over 300 lbs.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/a3bf778e.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/681b111b.jpg

about 2 cans of niagra starch used.

i lost ten pounds from starting my first cutting cycle and now i'm at 150lbs. these jeans are now too bigg for me in the crotch area. so i picked up a pair of capital E skinners in 32x32. they seem to be a one wash, and fit me well.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/be4fa080.jpg

notice the two tone thread detail that they used almost everywhere, which i think is pretty cool. they also have a very dark brown leather patch in the back. the trademark levi back pockets design stiching also feature a wavery style to them, gives a kinda hand made purposeful imperfect look (As well as the two tone threads). sorry no pics of those. these are the most "funky" or non traditional of the 3. the denim looks like it was made on a broken twill(?) and is very loose feeling. seems very slubby and has a great dark shimmery effect. i planned to start wearing these once it gets warmer up here in seattle. i havn't worn them yet, but they have been mad starched.

then just this week end, i came across these LVC 1947 501xx and started rocking them right away. 32x32

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/a0cafdd4.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/efddd139.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/e45812b0.jpg

looks like these are dead stock from 2003

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/30edeb6e.jpg

tags, notice the selvedge goes all the way up

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/6056c160.jpg

big E red tag with two tone butt pocket stiching, nice!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/7d2b5d00.jpg

selvedge, cotton feels pretty heavy, tightly wound, kinda slubby?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/42c6d159.jpg

rivits

so here are some comparison pics: from top to bottem: 4monthold premiums skinners, LVC 47 501xx, cap E skinners

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/da98b1fa.jpg

indigo color. premiums just seem dark blue, cap E are very dark and very shimmery, LVC is kinda purple-ish SWEET!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/dea1e593.jpg

button/rivit details (color, design). cap E has hand pressed rivits that are damn sharp!! 501 also hand pressed i think. premiums were very smooth machine pressed.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/aac66722.jpg

notice coin pocket selvedge on 501

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/1bae496b.jpg

cap E has writting on the inside pockets

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/9e278d2a.jpg

and here are pics of the 501's on

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/908b3f3f.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/727913a1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/lilbucu/b2a34a4b.jpg

questions? comments?

what can you guys tell me about the 501's don't know much about them. i may be able to get my hands on a deadstock 32x34, how much do they go for?

[lilbucu]

i'm new, lurked for a long while. got into dry denim at the start of the year. i was 5'6 160 (was my first bulking cycle which lasted for about a year, came up from 130lbs). first pair was levi premium skinner rigids that i wore for over 4 months. i was fatty mc fat fat at the time and rocked 36(!!!)x32. my thighs didn't even fit in the 32x32 size. unlike alot of people i see, i don't have carrot legs, kinda sucks cause i can't pull off certain looks, but at least i can squat over 300 lbs.

i thought these jeans were pretty cool. i think they are left hand twill? or what ever the opposite from normal is. made in the USA. denim was tightly wound. pretty quality construction. lots of double stiching.

about a can of niagra starch used.

i then lost ten pounds in a month from starting my first cutting cycle and now i'm at 150lbs. these jeans are now too bigg for me in the crotch area. feels sad that i'm retiring them. i don't think i'll even wash them, i'll just save them for next winter when i bulk up agian.

so i picked up a pair of capital E skinners in 32x32. they seem to be a one wash, and fit me well.

notice the two tone thread detail that they used almost everywhere, which i think is pretty cool. made in turkey (!) they also come in odd numbered sizes.

they have a very dark brown leather patch in the back. red tag just says "E" . the trademark levi back pockets design stiching also feature a wavery style to them, gives a kinda hand made purposeful imperfect look (As well as the two tone threads). these are the most "funky" or non traditional of the 3. the denim looks like it was made with ring ring cotton(?) and is very loosely wound, very solf. seems very slubby and has a great dark shimmery effect. i planned to start wearing these once it gets warmer up here in seattle. i havn't worn them yet, but they have been mad starched.

then just this week end, i came across these LVC 1947 501xx and started rocking them right away. 32x32 usa made.

looks like these are dead stock from 2003

tags, notice the selvedge goes all the way up

big E red tag with two tone butt pocket stiching, nice!

selvedge, cotton feels pretty heavy, tightly wound, kinda slubby?

rivits

so here are some comparison pics: from top to bottem: 4monthold premiums skinners, LVC 47 501xx, cap E skinners

indigo color. premiums just seem dark blue, cap E are very dark and very shimmery, LVC is kinda purple-ish SWEET! all can look black in certain lighting. the skinner flare is just too much for me now. maybe better after they shrink?

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[horriblyjollyjinx]

nice informative thread.

sorry to say, your 47's are going to shrink about 2 inches in the waist and 2-3 in the length.

they will stretch out though and you can make them shrink a little less by washing them cold.

våran panel tycker att man ska koka pastan i två år

[lilbucu]

thats good, because i think they are still a little big and long for me, that sounds perfect! and i have more wieght to loose.

i have one jean leg cuffed in teh mirror picture for refference.

i'm still getting use to a high rise non boot/flared jean

so far i'm liking it. for future reference, what are some good denim to look into for something like my 1947 but lower rise?

Edited by lilbucu on Apr 10, 2006 at 02:40 AM

Edited by lilbucu on Apr 10, 2006 at 02:54 AM

[denimdestroyedmylife]

welcome to the future, lilbucu.

you hatched nearly full grown.

very useful taxonomy of levi denim lines.

make sure you shrink those LVC 47s before you ::rock them::

[damnIam]

Nice fit, take it from someone who know...ease up on the juice, that shit'll kill ya.

[Geowu]

great pics! I like the 1947, and it looks good on you... for a 501 replica with a lower rise, maybe Studio Dartisan SD103?

[lyingonyourdriveway]

hahahaha this is so homo but i dont care about the jeans

i would like to know what you are doing the gaining and cutting for, wrestling? Weight training in general? Hibernating?

Im stuck at a 135-140 athletic build and i would love to bump it up at least 10 or so pounds, i was wondering if you just got tired of being skinny?

[sarno]

how odd. they're all levis. you don't own any other denim?

[lilbucu]

Quote:

Nice fit, take it from someone who know...ease up on the juice, that shit'll kill ya.

--- Original message by damnIam on Apr 10, 2006 06:09 AM

hahahah i'm all natural, but thanks for the compliment.

[lilbucu]

Quote:

welcome to the future, lilbucu.

you hatched nearly full grown.

very useful taxonomy of levi denim lines.

make sure you shrink those LVC 47s before you ::rock them::

--- Original message by denimdestroyedmylife on Apr 10, 2006 04:54 AM

so i should soak em first? why do you recomend that i do? so that my wear marks won't shift when i do decide to wash them? thats something that crossed my mind...

[lilbucu]

Quote:

hahahaha this is so homo but i dont care about the jeans

i would like to know what you are doing the gaining and cutting for, wrestling? Weight training in general? Hibernating?

Im stuck at a 135-140 athletic build and i would love to bump it up at least 10 or so pounds, i was wondering if you just got tired of being skinny?

--- Original message by lyingonyourdriveway on Apr 10, 2006 11:21 AM

i like to train in mixed martial arts for fun.

for bulking i was "bulking dirty" which means that i ate everything and anything. for about a year i was getting about 6000+ calories a day, plus heavy olympic lifting.

for cutting, just just slowly reduced calories, now i'm at about 2000 a day, and just increased cardio. still lifting hard.

funnything is that about over a year ago i got into some crap at a club and almost ended up being beat up (not my fault cause i'm a nice guy) and realized i didn't know how to really defend my self. i was athletic in highschool, but since getting old (now i'm 24) i got lazy. so now i'm in the best shape i've ever been in my life, and know a thing or two incase i'm put in another bad situation.

but yeah, being skinny is cool for getting that certain skinny bum look, but id rather be a little built.

[lilbucu]

Quote:

how odd. they're all levis. you don't own any other denim?

--- Original message by sarno on Apr 10, 2006 01:01 PM

well, i knew i wanted my first pair to be levis, just because thats where it all started right?

but i kept seeing others that i wanted, i didn' really plan for this.

eventually, i want a really funky pair, with the little crazy details, like slanted belt loops, colored buttons, slightly more flashy butt pocket designs, lower rise blah blah blah. but i figured i couldn't go wrong with levis.

[lilbucu]

but i do have various other crap jeans that arn't worth mentioning. like i said just got into this addiction this year. sorry for jumping on the bandwaggon.

[lilbucu]

damn, just realized with all the money i spent, i could have gotten some japanese denim.

[Louis]

wait where did you get those capital E's and are they lowrise boot fit? i have hella been looking for some dry denim thats low rise and bootcut i dont like the skinny leg look.

[lilbucu]

yeah the cap E is lowrise boot cut, but i think they are a one wash. after i put starch on, they feel just about dry feeling.

what size do you wear? i might be willing to part with them for cheaper than retail, i got them for 140ish...

[Louis]

do they fit like the rest of the premium skinnier levi's? im a 31,32 W and 32 L

[lilbucu]

i'm assuming they do, but i've only tried on these and the premium skinners, which need to be sized up because they are rigid. want some measurements? i stil lhave the tags and all.

these came from the levi store in seattle.

Edited by lilbucu on Apr 10, 2006 at 02:48 PM

[et negative five]

i want those oompas you got!

[sonick]

The flare on the premium skinners DO indeed shrink. When i first got them the flare was quite big for my liking, but after a lukewarm soak and hangdry, its perfect.

[PLUSsung]

Wow.. dude be buff

[rnrswitch]

I think levis are a good jean to start out with... especially the 47s. I also like those capital E skinners better than last years. If I was you I'd part with the premium skinners and keep the other two.

[NESK]

lilbucu i pm'd you

[lilbucu]

oh yeah, if i had to rate the quality of denim, the premiums are at the bottom. but still nicer compared to the STF 501 (which fit bad on me for some reason?)

[mizanation]

Quote:

oh yeah, if i had to rate the quality of denim, the premiums are at the bottom. but still nicer compared to the STF 501 (which fit bad on me for some reason?)

--- Original message by lilbucu on Apr 11, 2006 12:08 AM

the STF 501s are cut differently from your premiums which could be why they don't fit you as well. if you think about the kind of demographic the STF 501s have to cover (racial, economic and cultural), it's insane.

btw, where do you train mma? i train in NYC at www.roninathletics.com.

[rnrswitch]

Quote:

Quote:

oh yeah, if i had to rate the quality of denim, the premiums are at the bottom. but still nicer compared to the STF 501 (which fit bad on me for some reason?)

--- Original message by lilbucu on Apr 11, 2006 12:08 AM

the STF 501s are cut differently from your premiums which could be why they don't fit you as well. if you think about the kind of demographic the STF 501s have to cover (racial, economic and cultural), it's insane.

btw, where do you train mma? i train in NYC at www.roninathletics.com.

--- Original message by mizanation on Apr 12, 2006 09:26 AM

You train on a website? Huh.

[lilbucu]

Quote:

Quote:

oh yeah, if i had to rate the quality of denim, the premiums are at the bottom. but still nicer compared to the STF 501 (which fit bad on me for some reason?)

--- Original message by lilbucu on Apr 11, 2006 12:08 AM

the STF 501s are cut differently from your premiums which could be why they don't fit you as well. if you think about the kind of demographic the STF 501s have to cover (racial, economic and cultural), it's insane.

btw, where do you train mma? i train in NYC at www.roninathletics.com.

--- Original message by mizanation on Apr 12, 2006 09:26 AM

oh yhea, i was comparing denim from the premiums vs the STFs, but i was comparing fit b/t STFs vs LVC 1947 501xx.

i just train with my friends at our university gym, but i plan on training at AMC kickboxing (http://www.pankration.com/) this summer.