looking for advice

[artificialsky]

usually i don't like asking people to dress me, but i am stumped and there's other people a lot more knowledgable about this shit than i am.

i'm looking to pick up a pair of one of these two black denim jeans http://www.rakuten.co.jp/bazoo/644171/646460/#656584 or http://item.rakuten.co.jp/2nd/fh-4001bk

what are the differences between the denim quality, fit, etc...

also, if i'm little under a true 30" waist, what sizes am I looking to grab in these two pairs? anybody know if I can get these shits in one-wash?

thanks in advance.

your pal, artificialsky

[Geowu]

hey artificialsky

the full count ones look dope! zimbabwean cotton, I think their quality is better! I can't answer the other questions.

[asfberg]

full counts are slim cut (look how they fit a pretty slim japanese guy on the site) so you could go either way depending on your build

30 is safer of course and sizing down would make them very slim

bazoo's are the one wash as far as i can tell

denim quality is fantastic

not so knowledgeable about tfh but they have a great reputation as well