Jocking Dior Homme?

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It seems like Dior Homme gets a lot of props on here. Just wondering what makes it preferable than other couture brands like D&G, prada, gucci, marc jacobs etc...? These other designer labels don't seem to be making as big of an impact on the urban streetwear scene. Is it just a matter of perception/hype or is Dior Homme really killing the game more than any other designer label?

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[big balla]

I personally like gucci or YSL for the more dressier shit out there and Marc Jacobs is pretty decent.

However, my personal opinion on why dior homme is hyped up is not only because of its designs, but the fact that it's marketing tries to make it not accessible to the average rich douchey jackass (see styleforum or an old article in shitty GQ about the term 'american jackass' for one example of what I'm talking about). I remember reading somewhere that Hedi Slimane cuts his clothing really slim and prices his shit really high in order to have a particular and devoted consumer base.

If you ask me, Helmut Lang is the best fashion designer for men with the exception of some horrific nipple shirts ive seen.

[mouko]

what you mentioned are not couture brands but designer brands.

The only reason Dior is getting love on here in my opinion is because of their denim line, which is probably the most innovative designer denim in recently years and this board is just denim heavy.

As for the above comment. I think its silly to think that its popular because of specific marketing and not the designs. Hedi is probably the most important male designer of recent times because he's given a fresh shock to mens fashion with a younger aesthetic. You probably haven't been to a dior store or seen stores that stock them because the clothes do come in all sizes even though the overall cut of the clothes are slimmer (which is no different than helmut lang, who is known for his slim cut clothing) and the prices are no different than any other high end designer brand out there.

Edited by mouko on Jan 2, 2006 at 04:12 AM

[big balla]

If you have read my post carefully, I say, "Other than his designs....". Obviously the end product is what people will be talking about. And you cant say that crappy bands like the strokes or Franz Ferdinand rocking his shit do not make a slight difference as well. You know how much hedi has his jock all over them as part of his marketing. Have you seen Vman and its ilk? Somewhere in NYC could be some unknown crappy band made up of trust fund coke head losers buying all the dior homme they can.

As for the pricing, I should have been more clear. Designer clothes on the whole are typically priced very high. And there are many reasons for that, in which what I said earlier is very much true.

Oh yeah and about sizing, they come in all sizes, but do you honestly think a man wearing a size 54 jacket in gucci would look the same in a size 54 dior homme. What I'm trying to say is that not all can make dior homme work and the sillouette is very much a part of that.

And yes, I have been to a dior homme store. Its alright. Had it opened when dior homme was putting out dope shit, it would of have been better, now its just ho-hum.

Edited by big balla on Jan 2, 2006 at 05:04 AM

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[skecr8r]

I don't get your point.

Dior Homme is still beyond most other brands in terms of cut and construction. Compared with e.g. Gucci, which often will opt for even higher prices, quality (in the recent John Ray collections) is not nearly the same, the work put in the initial model and "basic parts" is beyond what most others designers do.

You surely don't believe that Dior Homme, being rocked by Ferdinand or other "crappy bands" has anything to do with the actual hype, Hedi is much more a designer with a fascination than a simple copycat, his older seasons echoes my point in extreme ways. Just because you didn't get it before doesn't mean that people in the top floors and the best of designers haven't recognized his talent from way back since he was first hired.

Hedi is actually friend with these people, he's surely giving them clothing, but so is EVERY OTHER DESIGNER LABEL. Your entire point in this is absolutely retarted. Dolce&Gabbana? Madonna, Kravitz, Elton John. Armani? De Niro, Pacino, Del Toro. I could continue this list endlessly. This is how the high-end designer world works. I can't seem why Hedi is any worse than any other of these labels/designers.

I'm truly sorry that you haven't listened to french lounge, ambient or house, for if you had, you surely would have noticed that some of the musicians/producers in that scene have been rocking Dior/YSL for a little while longer. Hedi himself dj'ed in his earlier years, his initial concept was very much with a fascination related to this much smaller scene, just like today but the subtle difference is that the scene is much more major and influential. That is the only difference, his designs are affected, surely, but that doesn't mean he easily can be compared to crappy bands and a simple subculture. Just because the world is new to you, doesn't mean it started with your awareness.

I don't even understand why you raised the price point, you nearly answered yourself without looking like a retard, but Dior Homme is priced like every other high-end brand.

Why do you mention that not everyone can rock Dior Homme? Surely, sizing varies. The entire beauty is in the slim cut. But when has something ever needed to be mass-appealing, that even seems to go against the point of your post. The cut is everything in the Dior Homme label, it rotates around an axis of elegance and slenderness that makes fans enjoy the label. It has to show the male form without just exchanging it with female clothing. That is the why Dior is so male, yet slimcut and sexy.

Didn't mean to come off harsh.

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[big balla]

When did I say clothes had to have mass appeal? I am merely answering the OP's question of what makes dior homme so well liked by saying its sillouette has a lot to do with it. Being the fashion elite we try to be, do you really think if dior homme made clothes for everybody as in a slightly more generous sizing, people would still dig it? I dont think they would if some douchey real estate meathead who wears striped etro shirts picked up GQ and started rocking dior homme after reading thier article on hedi. I remember reading in the dior homme msn site of how these fools didnt like the fact brad pitt was rocking thier shit. That's merely the point I should have made. Agree with it or not, but it seems like people do act that way everywhere, especially on this board. See A bathing ape.

And I'm glad you knew about him before I did. You know way before all this hype, when he was a designer on the rise playing his french house music. I bet you wanted to pull that card didnt you? Does it satisfy you that you are more 'in the know' than me about dior homme? Please.

From reading my shit, maybe I should have been more clear and descriptive. It may have to do with sleep deprivation and too much alcohol from the past few days.

Sorry for being defensive. I just dont like being called mentally handicapped.

Edited by big balla on Jan 2, 2006 at 01:02 PM

Edited by big balla on Jan 2, 2006 at 01:07 PM

[mouko]

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If you have read my post carefully, I say, "Other than his designs....". Obviously the end product is what people will be talking about. And you cant say that crappy bands like the strokes or Franz Ferdinand rocking his shit do not make a slight difference as well. You know how much hedi has his jock all over them as part of his marketing. Have you seen Vman and its ilk? Somewhere in NYC could be some unknown crappy band made up of trust fund coke head losers buying all the dior homme they can.

As for the pricing, I should have been more clear. Designer clothes on the whole are typically priced very high. And there are many reasons for that, in which what I said earlier is very much true.

Oh yeah and about sizing, they come in all sizes, but do you honestly think a man wearing a size 54 jacket in gucci would look the same in a size 54 dior homme. What I'm trying to say is that not all can make dior homme work and the sillouette is very much a part of that.

And yes, I have been to a dior homme store. Its alright. Had it opened when dior homme was putting out dope shit, it would of have been better, now its just ho-hum.

Edited by big balla on Jan 2, 2006 at 05:04 AM

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--- Original message by big balla on Jan 2, 2006 04:59 AM

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Celeb endorsments are nothing new and are aparent in all brands, designer and low end.

Pricing. I still don't believe because the pricing and accessability it is the reason its "hyped" because as I said its a designer brand and the prices are not much different from any other designer brand like ysl, gucci, dquared.etc..etc. Exclusivity is the key to any high end designer brand. That's why when you go into a boutique or high department store they will only have 1 of each size. The type of person that buys high end designer loves to know that the person right behind him won't be wearing the same thing for the most part. Again though, this is nothing new.

I believe a man size 54 would look good or just as good wearing dior as he would gucci, because he could theoretically be just really tall with broader frame. You don't have to be a size 34 or 36 to make the clothes work.

regardless of the elitist crying over celebs or "regular" people wearing dior, dior is still making larger sizes (that are still 'cut slim' of course) to get more business. If they were really trying to make it not accessable, they wouldn't bother.

[skecr8r]

All fair Big Balla, you didn't thread on me and I called you mentally retarded, I am sorry; no need to drag the conversation down to that level.

I just tried to merely say that there is much more to Dior than the last few seasons, I was refering to the heritage of Dior Homme (and Christian Dior, for fragrance). I wouldn't be able to compare us in terms of hype-knowledge, I don't know you and I don't think my post reflected hype-knowledge on my part.

I agree with you on the most, actually, well said.

PS. I'm one of those disliking Brad Pitt wearing the clothing. :-)

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