Paul Smith Red Ear dry selvage

[john11f]

Anyone care to comment if these denims are of the same quality as APCs, Nudie RRs, and other top dry selvage denims? There's one I saw that goes for $280.

[trinket]

I only just got a pair... so I cannot comment properly... but I think the quality seems good. They have some nice details.

They appear to be one wash. I'm not 100% convinced they are made in Japan. I suspect that some Red Ear stuff may be made in Italy?

I like the buttons.

_trinket

[john11f]

I'm a True size 34. I wear 32 on APC l'Anglaise and 33 on Rogan Original Assasins. I tried the Red Ear size 34 but was at least a size bigger. Should I go a size or 2 down or does it shrink after soaking? I find the cut not flattering on the butt (just might be me!). Everything else is just perfect; slim but does not taper.

I also want to find out how unpopular/popular the brand and model is for anyone who care to comment.

Thanks Trinket! Do update me how the denim works for you. But I'd have to confirm if the denim are from Japan. The mere fact that they put japanese characters on the tag should at least have some semblance on the product. The buttons ARE tops!

[josepidal]

Where'd you see them? At the Paul Smith beside the APC store at Shangrila?

How exactly is the fit unflattering?

[john11f]

G4

[giantreptile]

this to me looks like the beginning of the bandwagon. before too long, it'll be cavalli with snakeskin selvege, and gucci with red/green selvege.

[ringring]

Gucci have already done it. Kremedia posted some pics of his selvedge Gucci's.

[giantreptile]

well, there you have it. it's the beginning of the end.

[Serge d Nimes]

All these brands were doing selvage denim at least 4 years ago. I remember seeing seeing red ear and gucci selvage denim at bargain basement prices a few years ago when nobody bought raw denim.

Carpe Denim!

[giantreptile]

indeed. i remember selvege helmet lang's from '98 and selvege john varvatos jean jackets from '01. but my point is that we'll really see the opening of the floodgates this fall.

[giantreptile]

indeed. i remember selvege helmet lang's from '98 and selvege john varvatos jean jackets from '01. but my point is that we'll really see the opening of the floodgates this fall.

[teejayess]

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All these brands were doing selvage denim at least 4 years ago. I remember seeing seeing red ear and gucci selvage denim at bargain basement prices a few years ago when nobody bought raw denim.

--- Original message by Serge d Nimes on Aug 1, 2005 11:24 AM

Quite right. More respect for Paul Smith please. Far from a bandwagon jumper.

[kremedla]

the red ears are nice, but think they are made in china from what i've seen. also, the indigo seems to rub off quite easily, the lining of the pockets can be seen which means it could wear very nicely...saw a pair at selfridges (yes again) for only 42 quid.

[giantreptile]

go ahead, everyone. doubt me. you'll see.

[soultek]

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indeed. i remember selvege helmet lang's from '98 and selvege john varvatos jean jackets from '01. but my point is that we'll really see the opening of the floodgates this fall.

--- Original message by giantreptile on Aug 1, 2005 11:34 AM

I think this is possible, but i only think it will last a season or two and then die out a little. The Jcrew selvedge really is telling.

There are some upfactors: I cannot see raw denim really being too played out. It's been a classic style for decades. The healthy competition may spawn some different/superior products. It also may open the distribution channel for a lot of the Japanese and European brands that are hard to get in the US. On the other hand, the small niche companies that do it right could be drowned out by the big companies and trend. We'll see.

[kremedla]

those that have a passion for raw/selvage will continue to wear it despite the trends, if others jump on so be it...they will jump off as well.

[Guest DenimBar1]

Red ear denim is made from Japanese fabric from THE BEST mill in Japan. They use the same mill as 45rpm. Now if you think 45 rpm's denim is crap then maybe you'll you will think red ear is crap.

[john11f]

I won't bite for $280 though. I still prefer my $130 APC l'Anglaise.

[trinket]

There are some nice inconsistencies in the cloth.

The seat cut is slightly loose - closer to evisu than nudie.

john11f: I went one size down. They've definitely been washed at least once - so I don't expect any shrinkage. I got mine for US$155... wouldn't have paid much more. Actually, last week I also got 2 pairs of Regular Ralf selvage for US$140. I officially have too many jeans.

giantreptile: I wonder if this is the peak of selvage denim... it might be downhill from here. I've seen a lot of selvage jeans ON SALE recently because generally guys have no idea and don't want to wear dark stiff jeans. Note: I am in Australia - this may be different for other countries. For a brand to have a selvage line gives them a good rap from the denim heads, but it's not the raw selvage that sells.

_trinket

[john11f]

Selvage is still jurassic in my country. As long as raw selvage is safe from being maintream, I'm ok with it.

Trinket: I'd love to get a pair of Nudie RRs. How's the fit vs APC English (if you have one)? I go for straight leg and not tight fits.

Anyone who know where to purchase Nudie online? I know Volls but I don't think they ship to Asia.

[minya]

www.mynudies.com will soon start selling Nudies online internationally.

[krayzie]

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Gucci have already done it. Kremedia posted some pics of his selvedge Gucci's.

--- Original message by ringring on Aug 1, 2005 09:51 AM

can someone post pics of the gucci selvedge

[wild_whiskey]

The denim on those Paul Smiths looks really really nice. What's the weight like? And could you possibly post a picture of the fit? i'm curious to see how anti-fit it is.

[stickykrylon]

Y-3's selvage is really good too, but the cuts are kinda full.

Their denim jackets are pretty dope though - slim cuts.

dig.

[trinket]

Just a follow up:

Yesterday I looked at some new RED EAR stuff in Melbourne.

The jeans were made in: China, Romania.

Disappointing that it's marketed as Paul Smith's Japanese brand... but maybe that was my interpretation of the brand.

Their quality is still very good, but prices do not reflect the price of manufacture. AU$400 for a pair of jeans.

I don't hate china made stuff - the quality control and craftsmanship is becoming excellent. But I do wonder about working conditions... and I just think Paul Smith, and Burberry use the cheaper manufacturing in a mis-leading way - and use it to make more profit rather than a cheaper price.

_trinket

[superposition]

trinket : so where are your jeans made?

I think if we were to own a business, we'd jump into the china bandwagon just to maximize profits.

[CactusArmy]

Well at least they're honest about where it's made. Not like the DSquared crap...which is made in China and they say it's made in Italy.

[trinket]

my jeans are unlabelled.

... probably china?

_trinket

[0ld School]

Trinket:

Whereabouts in Melbourne did you pickup the Paul Smith?

[giantreptile]

blueblood is also made in china, but marked way up as if it were US or JPN made. it's this sort of thing that kills trends.