Visvim Corsica M-65 "Oltolina"

[maxamillion]

Just saw it here on HighSnobiety...

http://www.highsnobiety.com/home/the_daily_news/archive/2007/april/17/visvim_ss_07_corsica_jacket/index.htm?tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=27&cHash=cc980fd8d8

The best jacket this season. Available now at slamjam.it - gore-tex, oltolina cotton, etc!

[Crillz]

I love it when people pretend to know/care about something when a company uses it for a garment. Case in point: "OMG Oltolina fabric! I totally know what that is! I'm so glad Visvim is using it on their shit!"

[tomtom]

very very nice indeed

shame about the price tag

[herpsky]

this shit's already been posted here

old news

[mike lowrey]

you happened to notice it on your site..? I take it that your atleast somehow affiliated since you have it in your signature and all your posts are this kind of news flashes, so why not be honest about it.

oh yeah, and it has been posted and discussed in the visvim topic.

[poly800rock]

that's an f-2, not an m65

[M4TM]

lol... what #2-6 said.

[LanceP]

that's an f-2, not an m65

Ah, thank you! I find it annoying that pretty much any military-styled jacket with epaulets and front pockets being released now is referred to as an M-65.

[Egpt]

man... i don't know what to do.

i love this jacket, i want to buy it, i have the money to do it at this moment, but i would feel so guilty about paying this stupid price after i got it... daaamnn...

i would ask someone to buy it for me from FIL though.

but speaking about colours...which color is the best? the green and the red one are the ones that i like the most

[fogg]

Egpt, plainflour on ebay is selling this jacket now. Just search visvim on there and you'll find his auctions - he has a ton of Visvim stuff for sale. He has the green one up now but the auction says to ask about other colors and sizes. Obviously there's a markup already, but I'm not sure how much. All I know is if I won the lottery I'd be buying one.

[jet]

Jacket is dope. OP is a dope.

[larssss]

While the coat my look good, and be of excellent quality, I just want to point out that the concept Visvim is pushing here is absolutely ridiculous. A gore-tex jacket with a cotton face fabric isn't very practical since the cotton will completely soak out when it gets wet, even though the gore-tex on the inside will keep you dry, you'll be walking around in a heavy damp coat.

Seems to me it would be much better as just a cotton summer coat.

[yamakazi18]

price blows.

[hollaforadolla]

1000 dollars??.... :/

[SanLC]

While the coat my look good, and be of excellent quality, I just want to point out that the concept Visvim is pushing here is absolutely ridiculous. A gore-tex jacket with a cotton face fabric isn't very practical since the cotton will completely soak out when it gets wet, even though the gore-tex on the inside will keep you dry, you'll be walking around in a heavy damp coat.

Seems to me it would be much better as just a cotton summer coat.

Yeah, i didn't get that either. Kinda defeats the purpose of goretex.

[steph]

While the coat my look good, and be of excellent quality, I just want to point out that the concept Visvim is pushing here is absolutely ridiculous. A gore-tex jacket with a cotton face fabric isn't very practical since the cotton will completely soak out when it gets wet, even though the gore-tex on the inside will keep you dry, you'll be walking around in a heavy damp coat.

Seems to me it would be much better as just a cotton summer coat.

Nonsense. Gore XCR cotton is used (and has been for years) by a number of manufacturers (Acronym, Prada, Arcteryx, and quite a few more) and speaking from first-hand experience, it's not a problem. The water doesn't soak into the fabric to any significant degree, a lot of it just sits on the face and rolls off (I've seen some jackets that have a hydrophilic coating on the outside, no idea if the Visvim does) and there's not enough outer-layer fabric to get soaked and heavy.

It works with heavier materials, too (there's a Paclite/Cashmere combo, for instance) though I'll admit that cashmere can soak up a lot of water. It dries extremely quickly, though.

In fact, all the 3-Layer XCR jackets I've seen have used cotton as the outer layer.

The F2 is a really nice shape, but I'm sticking with my GT-J11X (also XCR cotton, and also, mysteriously, never soaked and damp)

[w)nism]

While the coat my look good, and be of excellent quality, I just want to point out that the concept Visvim is pushing here is absolutely ridiculous. A gore-tex jacket with a cotton face fabric isn't very practical since the cotton will completely soak out when it gets wet, even though the gore-tex on the inside will keep you dry, you'll be walking around in a heavy damp coat.

Seems to me it would be much better as just a cotton summer coat.

try it b4 making this comment mate

[Louche]

Nonsense. Gore XCR cotton is used (and has been for years) by a number of manufacturers (Acronym, Prada, Arcteryx, and quite a few more) and speaking from first-hand experience, it's not a problem. The water doesn't soak into the fabric to any significant degree, a lot of it just sits on the face and rolls off (I've seen some jackets that have a hydrophilic coating on the outside, no idea if the Visvim does) and there's not enough outer-layer fabric to get soaked and heavy.

Yes, this is fairly accurate; most of the water just sit on top until you brush it off, and the small amount which soaks into the fabric evaporates within a matter of seconds. It does not feel heavy at all - apart from the first five seconds if you take a bath wearing it, I suppose...

[outty]

that's an f-2, not an m65

how do you know? for future reference.

[steph]

The square velcro patch about one-third of the way down the front placket is characteristic of the F2. The M65 has more of a funnel neck, whereas the F2 has an open neck w/lapels. The F2 has different breast pockets; flat, integrated, w/zip access at the sides, as opposed to top-opening button closure pockets which sit on top on the M65.

[larssss]

damn, i got shut down hard it looks like, okay, I'll try to explain myself further

first, there is no such thing as "gore tex XCR cotton" (as far as i know) gore-tex xcr in its 3 layer laminated form has a face fabric which could be anything most companies use nylon or poylester but cotton and cashmere and any other fabric can be used, then the XCR memebrane and then a tricot backing to prevent damage to the gore membrane and while i have no reason to doubt steph, you're probably 100% correct about the preformance in light rain I would be very surprised to see a cotton face fabric not soak up water like a sponge, in heavy rain after several hours of use. Despite the fact that that it may have a DWR (durable water repelancy) coating on the cotton. pretty much all waterproof jackets face fabric will wet out after extended use even it its brand new, the DWR and face fabric just can't hold out the water, thats why we use gore tex, because it can, problem is that gore-tex isn't very strong and needs a face fabric to it doesn't wear out or tear too quickly.

Also steph, just for interests sake do you have links for any of these 3 layer cotton coats? I mean no offence or anything, I'd just like to update my knowledge, because i've never seen one other than the visvim one? which companies are doing this? just high fashion or any sporting companies?

Anyways, thats my little waterproofing lesson for the day, sorry for the rant, and i look forward to responces that don't involve internet words like "b4"

[Superstar]

^ i would doubt it very much that visvim actually would make a jacket that would be unbearable in the rain..

[Louche]

Well, yes, if you stand under a waterfall or go swimming it will soak up some water, but the lining is thin so stating that it would feel heavy is exaggerating a bit. And stating that the concept is ridiculous is even more exaggerated.

[wodnerduck]

it looks cool

[steph]

damn, i got shut down hard it looks like, okay, I'll try to explain myself further

first, there is no such thing as "gore tex XCR cotton" (as far as i know) gore-tex xcr in its 3 layer laminated form has a face fabric which could be anything most companies use nylon or poylester but cotton and cashmere and any other fabric can be used, then the XCR memebrane and then a tricot backing to prevent damage to the gore membrane and while i have no reason to doubt steph, you're probably 100% correct about the preformance in light rain I would be very surprised to see a cotton face fabric not soak up water like a sponge, in heavy rain after several hours of use. Despite the fact that that it may have a DWR (durable water repelancy) coating on the cotton. pretty much all waterproof jackets face fabric will wet out after extended use even it its brand new, the DWR and face fabric just can't hold out the water, thats why we use gore tex, because it can, problem is that gore-tex isn't very strong and needs a face fabric to it doesn't wear out or tear too quickly.

Also steph, just for interests sake do you have links for any of these 3 layer cotton coats? I mean no offence or anything, I'd just like to update my knowledge, because i've never seen one other than the visvim one? which companies are doing this? just high fashion or any sporting companies?

Anyways, thats my little waterproofing lesson for the day, sorry for the rant, and i look forward to responces that don't involve internet words like "b4"

I really don't know how to address the speculative part of this; If it's classed as Gore-tex XCR/Pro Shell/Performance Shell, the jacket has to conform to a certain specification w/regard to how long it will keep you dry (I remember the older tags would give you a mm of rain per hour rating, but the new XCR tags don't seem to. Now it's just "Guaranteed to Keep You Dry" and "Engineered for Extreme Wet Weather", neither of which are very helpful)

Thus, as far as I'm concerned the actual face fabric is not really important (be it nylon, or cotton) since it's just a very thin, DWR treated layer (though I think the Pro Shell faces have to be more abrasion resistant than XCR/Performance Shell) There's just not enough of it, and what little there is doesn't soak up and hold enough water for it to "wet out" in any meaningful sense, so I'm not really sure what's left to say.

You can't stick a Gore-Tex tag on it unless it does what Gore-Tex claim; the Visvim jacket is most likely made in a factory that produces XCR jackets for a number of manufacturers, not in a magic Visvim workshop. Visvim decide what they want the outside to look like, and supply the pattern for the jacket itself, and Oltolina supply the cotton material, bearing in mind that both the garment pattern and the cotton material have to conform to Gore-Tex's specification for use in an XCR Garment. (This is speculation on my part, I stand to be corrected)

The easiest way to see what I mean is to get hold of a jacket that uses the fabric, and walk around in the rain for a a few hours while wearing it. I have: It wasn't noticeably heavier afterwards, and it dried off in about 30 mins indoors.

I know the GT-J11X and the GT-J9TS are both XCR Cotton (I own a J11, and the J9TS on the-glade specifically references XCR Cotton) but that's about it as far as links go, off the top of my head.