APC no longer doing selvedge?

[merzbot]

i recieved a pair of the tight jeans in the mail today, and they are not selvedge.

is htis the same with all of the new styles? rescue jeans etc?

[Geowu]

really? Are you definately sure it's not selvage? because I just received my Unisex and it is.

[Serge d Nimes]

That is not good news! How is the fit of the tight jeans? did you size down?

I'm not illiterate, I just can't type!

[Geowu]

Perhaps it is selvage, just the outseam is cut-off

to make it tighter and so on...

I don't think Apc would do a non-selvage jeans for the same price as the others,

besides, in their site they say their denim is selvage, so it should be.

[rhythmandsound]

wouldn't make sense to trim the outseam to make it tighter when you could accomplish the same thing by further trimming the inseam.

[darknworn]

merz...can you take a picture?

[35mm]

merzbot - can you post a pic of the outseam?

[merzbot]

i take a 32 in gap jeans and i got a 33 in the apc tight fit, and the apc's are just about an inch bigger. the legs however and seat are very skinny. very tapered and close to the leg all the way down. im hoping that these will stretch out some??

ill put photos of the whole leg inseam. i am no expert on selvaedge, but from other pics on the internet this inseam does not look like the selvedge i have seen.

Edited by merzbot on Apr 14, 2005 at 03:53 PM

[merzbot]

they have no shape as of now..

Edited by merzbot on Apr 14, 2005 at 03:55 PM

[Geowu]

IMO they're made from the same selvage denim, but for some reason don't show the outseam. I can see that they're made from double ringspun yarn (the horizontal and vertical lines) and they seem just like my Unisex in terms of weight and density. Correct?

Maybe someone can give a better reason for this.

[merzbot]

my gues is, going by the way the outseam looks (these photos do not really display it well. i can put up better ones if anyone wants), is that they took a regular pair of jeans, cut open the outseams and trimmed part of the fabric off to give it a narrower cut, and then just stitched it back up.

[Geowu]

selvage denim is a bit irregular, so the diagonal lines (from the twill) should be a little uneven (not 100% straight like normal jeans). I don't know...

They look good.

[wild_whiskey]

The fit looks great but... bummer

[kiz]

damn i don't know if they are selvedge or not but they look awesome! i can't wait to get my anglais in the mail.

[Serge d Nimes]

I don't like how they surged (like my moniker ) the 2 sides of the outseam togeterh like that. there is no hope for train tracks.

I'm not illiterate, I just can't type!

[darknworn]

The outseams definitely look ordinary. Maybe we ought to buy all the selvage APC's before they run out . Ringring, what's your opinion?

[Bert and Pat Guiterrez]

Merzbot, you deserve praise for your sexy posing. Good job.

[ringring]

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The outseams definitely look ordinary. Maybe we ought to buy all the selvage APC's before they run out . Ringring, what's your opinion?

--- Original message by darknworn on Apr 14, 2005 09:16 PM

My opinion is, maybe you guys bought all APC's selvage up. This forum certainly won't have harmed their sales

Maybe the lead times were too long to make all their styles in selvage. Or maybe, they decided to go with wide loom denim because it doubles their margins.

[wild_whiskey]

I think the tight jeans are going to have some sweet fades where the jeans wrinkle up above the shoes.

[merzbot]

last night i emailed apc and heard back from them this morning, and they say that they may have shipped out the wrong jeans. the person explained that the tight style jeans are selvedge and that the ones they sent me are cure. ah vell. they are sending me the tight selvedge now. i am very happy with the length of the jeans though.

[darknworn]

hilarious! Maybe you should be able to keep these AND get the tight jeans for the same price. Oh well, good to hear that things are sorting out for you. For the rest of us, back to our normal lives...the crisis is OVER!

[merzbot]

hehe too true

[darknworn]

her merz, it'd be nice if you model those tight jeans when you get them. i'm thinking about getting a pair and want to know how they'll look. i'm sure others will appreciate the public service as well.

[Bert and Pat Guiterrez]

merzbot, when you model the tight jeans for us, it would be great if you were to pose without a shirt on this time, as a public service, of course.

[rhythmandsound]

this is gettin way outta hand

[snaptrap]

got a pair of the tight jeans as well. Look and feel exactly like my older new standards (that have the train tracks et al) but without the one feature. I bet they are still selvedge (surely this one sign cannot be the only determinant?). given their track record, i would think the same quality is being maintained. If you truly get them tight/ they fit you that way cuz you have a smaller waist - it starts to make sense to cut the outseam off...what little outseam they have is chafing me right now.

the people there are sending you the same jeans again BTW. They thought they mistakenly sent you a pair of the stretch denim tight jeans (also cures) which arent selvedge. THe ones worn in the picture are the ones they are calling selvedge. Thats my take anyways.

best.

[wild_whiskey]

Talked to APC today to make sure before I order my tight jeans. They are *not* selvage. She said that the outseam is tapered in and therefore could not have selvage. Duhh.. can't believe we never thought of this before. They taper on both sides all the way to the bottom, therefore it is impossible to have selvage on them.

I'm thinking about getting them anyway, athough one of my favorite things about selvage jeans is how the seams look on the outside after they've been worn/washed. Ahh.. the trauma...

[ringring]

She said that the outseam is tapered in and therefore could not have selvage.

Well you certainly can taper a leg and keep the selvage as long as the outside leg seam remains straight. Think of an upside down triangle. It tapers to a point and yet the sides are straight lines.

There are a few examples of tapered selvage jeans on the market. (eg Morris, Edwin Greenville, Dry Bones DP-520W..not skinny fit, but taper they do)

[wild_whiskey]

Good point. They must just be lazy then. Those punks.

I decided on women's (aka hipster) jeans, just waiting to hear back from Serge on a couple of things.

[Blanc0]

To Serge's point, they could have at least busted the side seams....