Dr_Heech

On 11/30/2023 at 6:15 PM, Broark said:

@Dr_Heech do you have a list of what historically separates the 42 model from other jeans at the time?
Off the top of my head, I've only seen Warehouse reproduce a 42 model and it looked more like a standard war era pair but with a crotch rivet and denim pocket bags (no cinch as well).

Well from 1936 the back pocket rivets were covered and the tab was introduced. The jeans were given the lot number 501XXC. Some pairs made in 1936 had machine pressed suspender buttons,  probably customer led requests. In 1937 the first 501xx with a pocket flasher was introduced, informing customers about the non scratch 'concealed copper' rivets still being there albeit hidden. Around 1939/1940 the yoke construction on the back of the jeans was reversed. Around 1941 a black buckle replaced the standard copper/silver one. Black stitching was used to sew the waistband on the 501 sometimes in the early 1940s, just before America's involvement in the war.

In April (I think?) of 1942, the second pocket flasher was introduced informing customers about the non scratch 'concealed pocket' rivets still being there on this, the last 501 with a cinch strap before the war. Copper had stopped being used on this model. The most important feature though is the reversal of the back yoke seam construction becoming the standard just before the first war model in December 1942 (S501XX). The one thing l haven't looked into is the left over right and right over left back panel swap. Did this occur at the same time? This FW repro does seem to - l wonder if they were copied direct from an original pair?

4 hours ago, Broark said:

New collection being previewed this week, taken from Sushi's Instagram.
Lot 601XX 1942 and Lot 506XX 1942.

At last a 1942 model. A very short lived model (in a real life/historical levis sort of way). Looking forward to these.

@LazyS those 37's are awesome 👌 

2 hours ago, Duke Mantee said:

For some the cinch can be uncomfortable with a belt

Plus it also depends on the belt used, for example. I use my thicker Hollows belt for my war and post war jeans,  and my thinner Duke belt for all the pre- WW2 jeans, which is comfortable over suspender buttons and a cinch.

2 hours ago, Toegun said:

It’s a bit out of season but there’s a Winstone’s Icecream shop that’s pretty good, usually surrounded by roaming cows. Worth a visit. 

@Broark The Winstones ice cream shop is on Roborough Common, a few hundred feet from the Bear of Roborough pub/hotel.

The cows have gone in now and won't be back until the spring (woo hoo!) And as Toegun said, well worth a visit.  

4 hours ago, Broark said:

We'll actually be taking a day tour of the Cotswolds on the 28th, something the Mrs. has always wanted to do...

If you happen to come across Minchinhampton Common on that day I'll give you guys a wave 👋

Shame @Broark, as for the last couple of years l've been celebrating the holidays in London with my Mrs and her sister (and my 3 yr old niece) but this year due to work commitments l'm down in the cotswolds, otherwise would have loved to. I've got a pair of conners to hem at Soas which is in Shoreditch too!

Next time for sure.

@generic_guy so l'd hazard a guess at 1970 as that Scoville zipper looks to be the first after the change from Gripper and that's around 1968/69.

Nice score.

@generic_guy V stitch or double bar at the fly button area? This would help date them.

Looks to be the larger script for 505 on the patch which along with the redline would put them at late 60's. As the 505 only metamorphed from the 551z in and  around 1967, then these are an early pair from late 60's IMHO. Also that button looks more copper than enamelled, which again is a pre 1969 feature.

Forget it,/why bother

@reallypeacedoff top marks for 1980's space lego kits! As a Gen X'er it was my last lego hurrah before ditching it altogether in favour of Astro wars and Munch-man.

Dark red looks warmer.

Oh yes @Double 0 Soul l am with you on most of those points. This is why l think 50 years for a pair of ds 501's, in a 'golden size' (well golden for me hopefully) of 35x38 (they are stf so final size is roughly 32-33 waist, 34.5-35 inseam), will be their best time to shine.

My Mrs has a considerable collection of hotwheels redline cars and trucks, from 1969-1971, most are still 'mint on card' and even those that aren't are in mint condition. Her dad bought them one by one from the local shop as her mum lay pregnant, obviously hoping for a boy. They've been in a box ever since. I enquired about value and did a little bit of research. Over time l found out they are very valuable (to the right collector) and suggested she might want to consider selling but emotions are strong (her father passed away with cancer when she was 19 so they are special to her). Some years later l mentioned it to her because she was skint at the time. I also pointed out about vintage items peaking in value (although toys rarely do drop in price considerably) but alas she wasn't having any of it and they still lie in a box.

Back on topic l am wearing my SC47's with arcs 🙂

2 hours ago, Maynard Friedman said:

I’d say keep them until you retire or really need the money Charlie and then sell them if necessary. If a pair of my jeans was worth £5k I’d sell them and just wear a pair of repros instead. Once they’re worn-in and washed, they’re just a pair of nice old jeans anyway.

Yeah Martin,  l've been certainly leaning that way for the last few years. If l could could get the 5k, easily and without bullshit/scammers and whatnot l'd be glad to pick up a couple of pairs of raw 601xx and spend the money on a holiday or a similar treat. Anyway like l said, no rush.

^yes saw this but l'm useless at how to translate (where is my tech minded Mrs when you need her?) 

Thank for the info @indigoeagle. I've often wondered how people find out now how much their old deadstock levis are worth (asking for a friend) not so much the resale value, although that is nice to know; l'm torn between waiting until 2028, when mine are 50 years old, either selling them (depends on monetary value? Silly to wear when they're worth 5k) or wearing them (sorta go with your heart/just enjoy them for the now/jeans were meant to worn etc etc)

I'm in no rush anyway. 

^Anyway l'm not holding my breath 😉

But just in case, and while we're waiting, here's my son's first pair of jeans with a busted seam. These non selvedge H&M jeans were pictured at the start of this thread (on a farm holiday with my ex-wife) but unfortunately they've been wiped out by the great photobucket scam. And here they are now, next to a pair of jeans that currently fit him (he's not fuckin having them!). What a difference!

Also a bonus pic of him wearing his redline selvedge H&M's (whilst out on a local fire station open day) again already discussed earlier in this thread.

I'll grab a pic of him wearing the freewheelers 47s at some point if l ever see them again. Probably already swapped them with someone for something else 😄

Edit. Apologies again for the sideways photos, this has only been happening since the new tech updates

^Dare l say it @Maynard Friedman, but would love to see an old photo of said ensemble, if that's not too much trouble? Hey you can chop the head out! 😁

5 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Yep

My kid has never been into denim.. we used to wrestle him into them from time to time.. we let him choose his own path.. which is usually the path of comfort.. i never wanted to dress like my middle aged dad when i was younger so i'm sure as hell he doesn't either.

 

Same here. My boy had the opportunity to wear 2 pairs of late 60's wrangler 13MWZ when he was 11/12 but chose the comfort of joggers instead. To be fair though he did wear the old type 3 l bought him (age 10) and the vest version (age 13) which was a gift from Flash.

But now he's turned 16 and is at the local FE college studying music production and everyone and their wives there are into vintage lol. So at last he has seen the light. Obviously it's modern vintage but last time l saw him (he lives with his mum) he was sporting a brown 90s Nike sweat, matching brown Jordans and a pair of grey widish Carharts. He was going on about old 501's and what should l look for etc and so l threw him my old FW47 601xx which were tts and now he absolutely loves them.

So my point is that it's all swings and roundabouts,  patience is a virtue? or something of that nature.

Wow, now that's what l call bucket cuffs! @beautiful_FrEaK

12 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

... but he always leaves a bit of dangly entraily inards

What the heck is that bit they won't eat.. surely it can't be that much worse than any other part of the mouse

There's something about the toxins left in the gut which can be too acidic for digestion? Anyway l remember as a youngun we had a big old ginger Tom cat and he'd leave plenty of those bluish innard thingy's lying around after mouse  consumption. The worst bit was, next day when you came into the kitchen or lounge half asleep in the mornings with bare feet, only to get a cold mouse intestine stuck to the bottom of one of them. Yeesh

@Double 0 Soul come on Neal, l was only kidding. Didn't pick you out to be a sensitive type, especially after the cat comment. Maybe l should remember to put in the appropriate emoji eh? 😜

Anyway l work in an environment constantly surrounded by dog walkers and find myself in silent agreement what most have said here. I don't have anything else to add other than the fact that l like animals but not necessarily the person who is attached to the other end of the lead.

^^ God it's like a dog chewing a bone.

@beautiful_FrEaK no you're not wrong. I've seen plenty of pocket bag stampings on 40s and 50s 501's but can't make head or tail of them.

26 minutes ago, MJF9 said:

@Dr_Heech what deets are bothering you doc?

Well in some of the comparison shots in the magazine the details don't seem the same,  or should l say close enough. For example, the chainstitched hem. This is probably due to the originals being sewn on older outdated machines and the SC's on more modern sewing machines? Maybe l've been spoilt since purchasing CSF? The white selvedge seems slightly different in width to the original or is it the pink line placement is out of kilter (?)  Anyway after careful consideration and analysis of both pairs of jeans, there are too many little differences that irk me, but l am very very picky nowadays when it comes to levis repros. More so than most here l would say. These things are (in my mind at least) significant for example the placement of rivets are out on the 46 pockets by a mm or two etc. But don't let my Ocd ramblings put you off purchasing a pair. Chances are l could still change my mind once they've been posted up here 😂

I've decided l'm not going to purchase the 43's now, too many details that bother me let alone the lack of red tab. Never mind, I will be living my life vicariously through you guys from now on so 🙂