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Here is the 232 post wash and dry. Fabric is still very stiff and relatively smooth with a small amount of coarseness by hand. Color has a grey cast. Size is 42. Pit-to-pit: 21.8" (5% shrinkage) Shoulders: 19" (12% shrinkage) Sleeve (shoulder seam to cuff): 25.25" (7% shrinkage) Length (back collar to hem): 24.2" (8% shrinkage) Sleeve length here makes me question whether I could make the TCB No.2 jacket work with 1.5-2" shorter half shoulder + sleeve length

My Denime 232 Type II arrived from Celluloid today. Here are the pre-wash measurements: Size: 42 Pit-to-pit: 23" Shoulder: 21.5" Sleeve (shoulder seam to cuff): 27" Body Length: 26.25" Some quick photos in the pre-wash state, including fit are below. I will update with post-wash measurements and more detail shots when I get a chance (along with some macro shots of my other jeans hopefully). Same thing happened to mine after a machine wash and dry - very warped and jerkied (actually not quite as bad as it looked at first glance)..

The butt is the clear tell for me on these. The Cats Drive model photos look similar from behind as this pair but those fit super differently on me TTS - far less saggy from behind. i will admit that the no 2 jeans have grown on me with time. I actually think that they would probably fit me very well if I found the right size. Still on the fence though because the single back pocket would make them a bit hard to wear to the office and I’d have to think on whether I could make the suspender buttons + additional belt loops work with my overall style

I’m really curious how they would look on others outside of TCB staff as well. From my other pairs, I’ve noticed that they fit very different on me than on the stock photos especially in the rear. I suspect that part of the reason is body type and part is that I believe that the TCB staff often likes to size up a couple to a few sizes.

No guarantees that the complete pattern will be very similar but this is the Cats Drive (size 31 on 6’3” 170 lb body) on me, which the size chart suggests should be rather similar in dimensions as the No 2 in case this is helpful at all for gauging potential fit

In honor of the TCB No. 2 release - LL Bean Sherpa flannel overshirt, Kirkland t shirt/ TCB Cats Drive jeans/Rancourt Ranger Mocs. These jeans have grown on me with wear. I actually quite like them now. The before and after versus my first try-on photo is pretty amazing

The jeans are slimmer than I was expecting. The size chart for my likely size is almost identical to the Cat's Drive except for a 0.5" lower rise for the No. 2 and a 0.25" wider leg opening, which is more of a slim straight in my mind. I really like the idea and the effort that went into these. I'm leaning towards passing because I worry about how they will fit and the single back pocket and suspender hardware would make them a bit harder to wear to work or my day-to-day. Pure curiosity for trying the denim itself though could sway me to still snag a pair for the novelty and occasional use.

Something a bit different today. The bright sun blew out the highlights some unfortunately. Vintage Patagonia hemp workshirt/Jungmaven hemp t shirt/ Buzz 1942 chinos/Rancourt boots.

These are looking great! I may add my own pics once I wash my own in the next few days, probably once my Denime 232 jacket arrives. The roping, seam puckering, and pocket areas are all great on these. The crotch stitching is no joke though. I've also had to repair the stitching a few times from crotch to just under the bottom of back pockets - crotch almost completely separated while I was in the AMS airport a couple of months ago. I love my pair as well, but they may need to be relegated to lighter wear soon or else they will fall apart before they finish fading

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That makes sense. I just looked at Bear's measurements for Resolute 710 and they are very similar for a given waist. Resolute 710 is actually even 2 cm higher rise, 0.5 cm wider in thigh, and 1 cm wider in leg opening. I'm concerned that even the Resolute would be too tight for my frame, so the Kyotos are a no-go for me. I did end up snagging a Denime 232 jacket from Celluloid to solve my Type 2 fix. It was a hard choice over WH 2002xx, but I figured that it was a good chance to try out Denime. In reality, it probably won't be hugely different from the 2002xx based on the Denime by Warehouse jeans - will probably grab a pair of 220a when back in stock or new 1954 when it arrives.

Are the Kyotos pretty low rise and narrow through the thighs? These actually should fit my waist and inseam, but I fear that the rise and thigh would be too tight for me.

Great this all sounds good. I don't necessarily want a slim jacket just one where the sleeves will fit my arms without a truly massive chest from sizing up 2-3 sizes. Sugarcane 1953 in size 40 should work for me, just need to doublecheck body length. Drop shoulders of Type 2 actually work great since narrow shoulders are what limit a lot of Japanese made tops for me

Yeah, Badlands is one of the few films that I distinctly remember the denim. Cruising of all things is another (also great leather jacket and engineer boot inspo). Although, I still have yet to see Rebel Without a Cause despite loving other Nicholas Ray films.

What brands sell denim jackets that are agreeable for taller and slimmer frames? I have a good grasp on shirt and blazer sizing, but for some reason I can't quite wrap my head around correlating denim jacket size charts to real life fit. For reference, I'm usually a 34 - 35 inch sleeve in shirts depending on how wide the armhole and shoulders are and a 39" chest for typically a 40 L blazer (21-22" p2p). I'm looking around at Type 2 repros for spring - fall. Sugarcane 1953, the new Denime 2002xx (or WH 2002xx if it's restocked), and TCB 50's jacket all seem like they would work in theory - enough sleeve length without a massive chest

Martin Sheen in a Type 2 in Badlands. Jeans seem more like 60's Levi's though.

Yeah I think that this is a great way to put things. Any time that I've ever worn a blazer with jeans it is to dress down the blazer and not dress up the jeans, so things like the leg twist and paper patch fulfill that goal well. If I want to dress up a blazer, I'd be better off in chinos or wool flannels in my mind. The comments on the article that bF linked are interesting though. Several people complaining about the "cheap" paper patch and "poor" QC of the leg twist and misaligned back yoke seams on a $300 pair of jeans (another huge US markup vs. Japanese domestic at $150). A pair of CSF would probably send them into palpitations.

I'm still curious why leg twist bothers some people so much. It's not uncomfortable and nobody has ever noticed unless they are deep in the game and looking closely at photos

Sorry my bad - I missed the line with the actual measurements. I revised the original post to include them

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Kamakura Ametora Oxford shirt/ TCB Cat’s Drive/Rancourt Ranger Mocs. It’s remarkable how much these jeans have stretched and relaxed in a couple of wears.

Thanks! Good point. I had to give up on the orthotics because they made the back pain that they were supposed to solve even worse. Twenty to thirty miles of hiking across two days in moderate arch Keen hiking boots put my knees in agony too way more than running a similar distance does. So the massive arch 55 lasts probably would not make my feet happy

How are PNW boots for super flat and narrow feet? My Brannock is a little over 13 B for one foot and 12 B for the other, and the size difference can be an issue sometimes. Both are nearly completely flat and overpronate as well, although I prefer not to wear my custom-made orthotics since I was born this way and the orthotics feel a bit unnatural. I'm considering buying a brown or reddish-brown or burgundy boot, and I'm weighing and waffling on my options. I like the concept (business model and commitment to quality) of Frank's boots (Wilshire, Front Range), but the huge arch of the 55 last gives me some concerns. I'm also considering Alden Indys, probably 403 or 405. Indys might blend more seamlessly into the rest of my style, but I do like the ruggedness and history of the PNW boots. My work environment and lifestyle also make things a little tricky. I now work in an office most of the time, but I still do pop back into lab for some hands-on time and need some substantial shoes for that light industrial setting. Based on where I live too, I find myself spending a lot of outdoors walking and with yard work.

Only from the crotch down. The waist and hips are much slimmer than the 1001xx. Laid flat on the floor, the Cat's Drive are almost a perfectly straight diagonal below the cinch in the waistband in the top block without any of the hip flare that makes the 1001xx more comfortable and roomy. To be fair, they only remind me of the 1001xx (which fit relatively slimly on me) in terms of the dimensions through the legs relative to me legs (only my opinion though - it's hard to get past the dissonance of how they measure vs. actually feel). The drape and how they actually feel while moving is very different, partly because the Cat's Drive fabric is so rigid compared to Banner Denim. The white Oxford photo is taken with my 1001xx and the sweater with the TCB. I'm super curious to see how they fit someone else.

It's also the "too many meetings and I'm ready to go home" face. Never having tried on a pair of Iron Hearts, I imagine that this is what they would feel like in terms of stiffness. The back pocket even creased during international transit since the denim is so rigid. Easiest pair of pants in the world to fold - no flopping around