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Yep, (edited) the same on my 47s, 45s and 46s. I also find it a bit annoying.

Sure, if you don't wash them hot the 44 will probably work out. My first 506 from FW is a 40, which I've only cold rinsed. It fits like a 42.

@Dr_Heech Might be a once in a life time chance: https://www.retaildive.com/news/lee-jeans-sale-surprise-kontoor-move-wrangler/819677/ @shredwin_206 Sorry, for the time being they seem to hold on to Wrangler.

Now the 1941 506 O/W measurements have been posted by some retailers. Old Stand Up: Wolf Pack: Size 36(S) 38(M) 40(L) 42(XL) 44(XXL) 46(XXXL) 48(XXXXL) 肩幅 42cm 44cm 47cm 49cm 51cm 53cm 56cm 身幅 49cm 52cm 54cm 57cm 59cm 62cm 64cm 着丈 55cm 56cm 58cm 60cm 62cm 64cm 66cm 袖丈 59cm 60cm 61cm 62cm 63cm 63cm 64cm For me the 44 would be a bit too tight- I have some jackets which are in that area. And the 46 with 64cm is probably too long for my preferences. I currently prefer the length to be around 60cm. Like I had written before the WH jacket 1941 is also relatively long, so it seems that for some reason the jackets of that time were made longer. Perhaps it will start to grow on me and I'll change my mind Or perhaps I find a retailer who has one that is cut shorter. There can be differences of a few centimetres.

For the 46 for example Iceclimber gives the exact same measurements for the 1941 and the 1942 506 jackets: N/W 46: sts- 54cm ptp-66cm bl-68cm sl-66.5cm If the denim shrinks the same as the 1942 it should result in the following (see Wolfpack page ) O/W 44: sts- 51cm ptp-58cm bl-63cm sl-62cm So a bit longer than you expect @MJF9 (Just checked DC4 measures 61cm though ) O/W 46: sts- 53cm ptp-62cm bl-64cm sl-62cm Comparing the back lengths for size 46: 1933: size 46 NW-69cm OW-64cm 1941: size 46 NW- 68cm OW-?? 1942: size 46 NW -68cm OW- 64cm 1944-45: size 46 NW- OW- 65cm (on some sites: 63cm) 1946/47- 46 NW- 67cm *, O/W- 61.5cm * interestingly both Schroeder and MB state it as 67cm, so a lot of shrinking for this denim. At least this is for the size 46 and that is also my experience. In some text a distinction had been made between denim jackets and blouses, with the latter being shorter, but I can't remember the details. Perhaps someone else can. And for some more numbers. Comparing the FW 1941 with the Warehouse one. I'm going with the measurements by Wolfpack for the 1942 one here. So: FW O/W 1941 size 46: sts- 53cm ptp-62cm bl-64cm sl-62cm The Warehouse one Lot 2001XX(2000XX) (1941MODEL) is for size 46 after washing: sts- 54cm ptp- 59cm bl-64,5cm bl- 64cm So a bit slimmer in the chest, a bit longer in the back and also longer sleeves.

That denim fades really nicely. Good size

Do they subtract the Japanese VAT?

Regarding the site loading issue. In this thread the page often does not load the first time. When I delete "..comments" at the end of the URL it loads fine. Perhaps that can give a hint to the error/problem solving.

It looks great. But the cut is quite long and with narrower shoulders compared to the chest not so boxy overall. It seems to have been (one wonders why) the cut of that year as the Warehouse 1941 is cut similar but with wider shoulders and a narrower pit. I think, it was generally, that during the war period the jackets got longer. The 1946 and on ones as well as the 30s ones are quite short, around 60cm.

It looks the same as Iron Heart, Real McCoys and, I think, also Full Count. So only a proxy works, I think.

Great- so many amazing pairs.

FOURDEN Mfg. x Store Core 106. The store (I think) has issued a number of denim jeans and jackets with various denim manufacturers like Little Hand and Denim Bridge. And also with Fourden Mfg., who is described as not a professional denim sewer, but a denim enthusiast, who does this as a hobby. So recently an interim 506 repro with a pocket flap but only four buttons similar to the FW one, that @MJF9 has. At JPY 35,200 a fair price. Interestingly it was just issued in size 44, but that is more the tag, because the measurements correspond more to a say size 48 or even 50, for the shoulder (58cm) and chest (65cm) with the back length being relatively short at 61cm. I think, it sold out quite quickly. Some nice details like the HBT on the inside of the pocket flap and the hem is not chain stitch but single needle. The loose threads are as has been discussed with other models a question of taste and can be easily altered.

The Birner shirt. I had seen it before a few weeks ago, when it was released.. But - as is often the case- with some fit pics one gets a better idea of how it looks. The fit pic of this VMC guy shows it quite well. It will apparently show strong vertical fading. Denim description: "Vintage Style 8.5oz Indigo [Denim] The warp threads use strongly uneven pure indigo yarn, and the weft threads use well-balanced uneven yarn, dyed with natural dyes, resulting in a twill weave that allows you to enjoy a strong vertical fade. It features a moderately stiff 8.5 oz denim fabric that allows you to enjoy a strong vertical fade." A great item again by FWs. From VMC insta:

Thanks- the jacket I had recognized with the four buttons and the flap. Nice

Great pictures, lovely landscape and architecture. We should have a Sufu meetup there And the coffee- you have come a long way, no Japanese hand crafted copper coffee dripper. Weren't you partaking of Nescafe until just half a year ago or so.

Looks great. Is that a Lot S601XX? The 1944-45?

You're both right. I checked the denim again and as you had said, the 45 is rougher, neppier, more little "knots" in the threads and the weft is more beige. Also I found this time the 45 denim to be darker than the 46. The 46 is generally supposed to have the features of the 47, but still the rougher denim of the war time. Still that denim is already less rough than that from the previous years. What we regard as interesting fabric was during the war time something that had to be accepted as time and materials were scarce, but with the war ending more attention could be spent to make the fabric "higher quality" which eventually led to the rather uniform non-selvedge fabrics of the projectile looms. Of course efficiency and cost advantages were also a big factor in that development.

I like them both. They fit similarly in 46. The FWs one is a bit softer and more blue. The WH Banner Denim is a bit rougher, neppier and darker.

WH Lot DD-2001 (Banner Denim) with the FW 1946-46 Lot 506XX

Lot 506XX 1946-47 compared with the WH DD Bannerdenim 1947 one

Ah, yes, the embossing is a clear indicator.

Since they were close by I added the Orslow 105XX. As a 50s repro they are more of royal blue and with a bit lighter and from the wash softer denim (similar to the TCB 50s or the Freewheelers 1951s).

A bit difficult to capture with a mobile camera. Here the 46 looks indeed a bit more blueish and the 45 a bit darker. But in reality they look and feel very similar.

One difference: in the top left there is no bigger gap between the thread and the red line. One the other examples, my two jeans included, the red line tilts a bit to the right, making the gap larger. Also the buffaloes look different, the fur and again the font of the size numbers.