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Nice @ATWM! For myself, I find a patch quicker to get repaired and less obtrusive–darning [almost] always comes out super stiff, like cardboard, in most cases that I have had it done. Plus, the wait time can be 4-10 weeks. In saying that, I had my SEXI26s repaired at SELA from my moto accident, the whole crotch and left leg were ripped entirely, and it feels like a new pair of jeans after repairing. Soft and pliable.

Off work this week, took a day trip to Mackinac Island today. Mackinac Island is a historically significant car-free island technically in Lake Huron, one of the 5 Great Lakes. Lake Michigan ‘flows’ into Lake Huron through the Straights of Mackinac, an almost 5 mile wide channel that separates Michigan's lower peninsula from the upper peninsula. Due to this strategic location, Mackinac Island has been used as a fort since 1780 to control the Straits. Originally built by the British, it was taken by the Americans not until 1796, 20 years after independence was declared. The British also briefly reoccupied the fort and island from 1812-1815. Of course, the location was also strategically and culturally important to Native Americans long before. I remember reading an excellently illustrated book as a kid about Mackinac Island, which according to Native American legend was formed by a giant turtle. The name Mackinac actually orginates from the Ojibwe word meaning ‘great turtle.’ Interestingly enough, the French spelled it Mackinac and the British Mackinaw. The island and bridge use the French spelling, but the city on the mainland the English. As an island, the only way to reach it is by boat, plane, or if the straits freeze over, snowmobile. There is a small year round population, but it’s largely a (very popular) summer tourist destination. It’s an incredibly unique and beautiful place! Fort Mackinac, where you can see historic reenactments. Typical ferry The Grand Hotel (view from the ferry), which boasts the longest front porch in the world, and has a formal dress code (and is very expensive). View of the Mackinac Bridge from the ferry, which connects Michigan's upper and lower peninsulas. When it was built, it was the longest suspension bridge in the world at 5 miles. Downtown. The only transportation on the island is horse-drawn carriage and bicycles. Fort Mackinac sign American Trench / Whitesville / Left Field / Hokas

I love the high front rise on them. Aesthetically vintage looking jeans

Here's mine 40 wash and a dryer

I was looking at the sizing on the TCB website and also asked Ryo and he recommended a size 42 based on my height weight. I’m 5 ft 9 about 164 lbs. I have a 30s jacket which is definitely small on me lol

No, went with a 32 again haha. I ended up losing a bit of weight recently after a period of gaining through lifting, so I think I've hit the max size I'll ever be haha

My jeans have a similar repair, but in this case (and almost always) I get darning without any patch. I also have overstitched the middle seam to reinforce but in my case the darning was done because some fabric itself was starting to fray. It's been holding quite well as a repair now with another two month of bicycling on it.

I was able to get 2"/5cm shrinkage in the waist and 1/2 to 1" in all other measurements on a pair of W36 220A. I soaked in extremely hot (seemed like it was almost boiling) water for an hour, occasionally agitating by hand. Then a hot machine wash and electric dryer. This process caused the patch to lose a lot of ink, but the leather remains in decent shape. If that's something that would bother you, be careful. Even after all the shrinkage, the 220A will continue to have an unusually high rise compared to the rest of the measurements. Not necessarily bad, just different. The denim is really cool though and I would embrace any marbling - it suits them.

Sorry, I don't think I took measurements while they were raw. I do remember them shrinking quite a bit. I would nuke them in the washer and dryer and see how much shrink you can get out of them.

Do you know what they started at?

You should be able to get some more shrink out of them. I had to sell my first pair of 220A and buy a size up because they were too tight. The size 31 I sold measured around 15.25" after washing.

Alright. You know, that they fit small, right? At least for the 20s jacket my 48 fits more like a 44.

Thanks @indigoeaglefor the lead on the TCB late 40s jacket. I apparently need a size 42 which I can’t find. 😭 if anyone has a lead, it’s appreciated. I prefer buying from a Japanese store and avoid the markup. Thanks!

@dennnnnnnnn They don't look too bad considering that's pre-soak. I have found in my limited experience that a nice hot wash and dry can help a garment settle into itself, so to speak. From what I've seen/read (mostly on here) the marbling on a pair of Denime's is unavoidable, but you can always try to mitigate it by turning off the spin cycle, then when they're done roll them up in towel and squeeze out what water you can, unroll and smooth out the wrinkles before tossing in the drier. You've already got them wet, so I think it's worth a try.

They marble just by looking at them. A hot wash with medium spin and hot dryer should shrink these up good (inside out of course).They look similar to how mine were. I had to use a belt but don't mind that.

Just from the pre soak fit I didn’t have much hope, usually I can stick a hand in my waist band, if I tried these in person I would have sized down for sure. I wasn’t shipping these back to hinoya so I had nothing to lose. is it worth throwing in the washing machine and dryer? I don’t want any dreaded marbling. I assume they’ll stretch out back to loose regardless. here’s some pre soak photos for now

Size 3 in the 132 should work well for you

"32". Looking for a 13" thigh or bigger, in a 32-33" waist

I did not! I will check in with Eric, thanks.

@knucks What sizes do you wear from other brands?

hey neighbor, you can always email the man himself for specific sizing info but generally https://www.tenderstores.com/sizing/ is a good start. you know Today is supposed to start stocking Tender as well yea?

Looking to dip my toe in some tender. Where can I find sizing on denim? Looking for something looser..132 seems the ticket also will be in Düsseldorf and Copenhagen and Stockholm in September.. looks like there’s some stockings too?

@dennnnnnnnn Regarding the shrinkage, just the hot soak probably didn't get all the shrinkage out; a proper hot wash with heavy agitation and a spin in the drier would be what I would do if I were looking to shrink them as much as possible. Without fit pics or a further description of how the jeans fit everywhere else, it's hard to say for sure what your issue is. The 800xx is a mid rise that I assume you wear around your hips, but the 220 is a higher rise meant to be worn closer to the natural waist. A high rise will almost always necessitate a trimmer waist measurement (assuming you don't have a gut), as the stomach is elastic while the hips are not.

Well to answer my own question, I did the hottest soak I could do for an hour then dried in my bathroom with a dehumidifier. Went from 82 to 78cm, which is about where my warehouses are. I was swimming in these things, must be the higher rise. I can’t even image a size down would help. Any advice? also would like to mention if anyone is looking for a size 31 I’m going to put these up for sale for what I paid.

Looking epic @scooby