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Looks great. I’ve got a pair of the 44-45 on ice, this makes me look forward to them.

@LazyS what models?

I feel similarly about the ‘51. It’s all I’ve been wearing lately. It’s not really a looser fit so much but it is a pretty perfect one and reminds me the most of my favorite jeans from long ago. Didn’t expect that when I picked them up. Bonus, they’re (comparably) inexpensive.

I don’t mean to troll but I’ll continue to drop such broad takes where appropriate. It’s in hopes for a better overall forum and by extension a better world. Such takes include a distaste for cowboy and western wear is appropriate, Lee and Wrangler designs and therefore repros are ugly, Warehouse just isn’t worth it when there’s Freewheelers(great denim but between those flimsy pockets and disintegrating stitching c’mon), Moc toes aren’t good either, etc. Just don’t expect pure consistency.

The difference is probably if you’re looking at raw vs one wash jeans. Raw 2” big and shrink down, one wash probably measure around tag. Given previous convos about this I think I’m kind of alone in this experience but my one pair of WH I took one size down from what I take for the same waist in sugar cane or Freewheelers (30).

I’m not sure if the measurements changed but my pair of 1003xx (DD1946 model) are far from what I’d call wide. They’re a pretty classic straight and even a little slimmer through the thighs - more than I’d wanted - after multiple washes. I do have a small size (29), but the waist is perfect - where I think sizing up would be too much - so the given proportions are still relevant for me.

All that Great Lakes gear - if you joined us up here you could actually wear it for the better part of the year!

@Hendsch this comes up often enough. Indigofera Kirk in gunpowder is the solution I came around to. They’re pretty nice, only complaint is that they very much seem sanforized but the Swedish retailer I got them from marketed them as unsanforized. I bought them expecting shrink and got very little, even after basically cooking them. My pair is a beater pair now and the fades are nothing to write home about - they got trashed early and I had to wash them a lot since.

My only crit is superficial - moccasin shoes or boots, like polo shirts or certain other categories - constitute a certain sort of look, and that look doesn’t appeal to me almost as a rule no matter how nicely executed.

This isn’t so stylish, and I’m showing my general lack of interest in most higher end shoes but Sherpa lined Blundstones are hard to beat - warmer, more comfortable, less expensive - in this regard.

@81FXR Yes agreed on all. You’ve got to do what works for you, on you, first. I do think you’ve got your arrangements down well - they seem to suit. Same tbh with most of the wides I see on this forum - but outside of it, it’s a different story. It’s just as hard to sell a complete 50’s look (no interest in that here) - well, maybe harder out in public these days since the wider stuff is pretty much the norm for the student crowd.

Funny how preferences manifest. I'm 5'8" - and I just can't get comfortable with anything too wide. I have a few pairs of pants (not jeans) with >9" hem, and I think it makes people my size look a little bit shorter, including myself - which whatever, but I'm not sure it's the best look. I also find the IG profile cited...well, I get that this dude has his thing but let's just say it's got very little that appeals to me personally. The mean mugging cigarette stuff is just too much lol. I think I am more in the camp of finding medium rises pretty comfortable, even on wider legs. I'm also more of the school of thought that tucking in shirts with jeans is pretty paradoxical. Makes more sense with chinos etc. We've all got our things, I suppose, but I do agree my wider pants look better with a shorter sweatshirt/sweater that has some sort of ribbed hem. I bought a lot of different stuff at the beginning of the year, different fits, fabrics etc. My 0105's haven't had a day of wear yet! Unexpectedly the jeans that feel most "at home" to me, the ones that seem most versatile, timeless, not too...anything are the '51 freewheelers. (Also least expensive, so definitely best value I've hit this year). One of the slimmer pairs I've gotten in recent years but still plenty of room and seems perfectly proportioned for a pretty average size person like myself. I like the other stuff too but it all feels like more of a statement and that's usually the opposite of what I want from jeans (plus that's what the top half is for). I liked some of the looks I saw on others, and it's fun sometimes but even when I was a pretty hardcore skater in the 90's I had some of the less voluminous pants out of the bunch, so it tracks I'd have a low threshold with age.

My 13.7's (sz 30) are actually a size up from my Warehouse 1003xx (sz 29) and I find the waist quite similar. My Sugar Canes in 30 are a slightly looser than my FC. My FW in size 30 came slightly more snug than the FC. I would just get the shop to measure for you if possible - some of this falls within margin of error.

I mean, do you want heavier denim or not? I have a pair of 0105 in size 30. I don’t find them large in the waist. Similar to other Japanese brands.

I’ll just add to the pile that the 20s aren’t wide. I have a size up and they’re generous but still not there. Black Sign does have some wide offerings - I have a pair of wide trousers from them, but I have to say even proxied from Japan I still find them a little rich for what they are and probably wouldn’t buy again.

I missed that these existed. I've been searching for the right cord trousers - not 5 pocket - high and low, these look great. How do you like the cut?

Makes sense. I definitely like lighter versions of it too, especially for tops, especially if you're gonna wear with jeans. I guess this is evidenced by my post above where I chose to buy their lighter dyed thermal.

underwhelming in what sense? natural dyes react differently with different fabrics - I'm not sure I'd think of anything I sent them as anything other than experiment. It's different if it's a fabric they work with and have a specific process for I'd say, but sending them something they don't work with, a lot is out of their control. fwiw - i think they look nice and would be pretty happy with this experiment. Idk what you paid but given the other stuff they sell I doubt they'd send out something they thought was bad, at least not without some explanation. I could be wrong.

@MJF9 I mean - sure. I'm not too tough on my tops. It's a nice cotton thermal but it doesn't seem too remarkable in terms of how tough it feels. I've had no issues with it though and have worn it quite a bit. To my mind the primary value is still in the natural indigo dyeing though. Most of my knits these days I get from Jackman - now that stuff is robust (and more moderately priced, though still not cheap).

I get it, and I respect your take, I just don’t agree it’s apples and oranges. It’s denim and flannel, sure, but the degree of difference between LVC and Warehouse or pick your repro overall probably is no greater or if it is. We’re talking cotton threads vs poly, provenance, and slight shades and textures of indigo - more or less - and then a lot of less tangible things that may or may not matter to some degree to most people. Yea we can argue about how big these differences to us are personally, but to most they’re marginal. A flannel, to my mind, is about as original as jeans, or as ubiquitous. IH markets themselves with heavy weight yes but they didn’t invent such a thing. This is all part of an industry that does nothing new, and doesn’t even claim or want to, it only makes little tweaks they think are better. LF is doing that same thing. And if the cut fits a western body, well that’s no copy at all imo. It’s the difference between my having an option to have a sleeve length that works with chest that doesn’t or something that actually I can actually wear. Julian and Edwin have a points I’m sympathetic with as well though, given the brand reps of these two I’m more inclined towards LF anyways.

But most of this forum is based off of the most exactingly direct knockoffs possible lol. Also, I’d argue a different cut makes it a different product - something we seem to take for granted with jeans at least. Idk if the cut would work better for me but if I wore flannels I’d give it a look bc I have broader shoulders/chest that pretty much nothing Japanese but boxy repros or stretchy fabrics work with. Ok, I’ll move on now.

Here’s my thermal after it’s latest wash. Been washed and hang dried many times over the last two years or so. The pic with the date of dyeing is actually the most accurate color, but it’s still somewhere between how the pics show it.

That’s a good example. I mostly wear mij things at this point, and I was never interested in 3sixteen, but once they outsourced any smidge of a reason left to consider was gone. I used to wear Raleigh years ago (before the pricing got actually insane), and it was primarily because they were really well made jeans that I could go see being made, and from white oak to the shop the entire cycle of production was pretty local. That superseded anything else. Controversial - but they were also made better than quite a few pairs of MIJ jeans I’ve had over the years, maybe just not with the sorts of details people would like. If IH flannels would cost me 365 to 550 (!!) for their 14 oz being in the US but they are half that if my address is in Mexico that’s even more a turn off, not that they’re losing a customer in me anyways. Anyways, a little shit talking I think is fine. At least a few of us above have said things more shit talky than that IG post, I know that!

Criticism is part of any healthy society (IMO). People who don’t find LF a good competitor will have their own reasons. And I think it’s fair enough to call out IH UK pricing as suspect. Personally, if I wore flannels (I don’t almost as a rule) I’d love to give these a shot because I’m not much a fan of IH patterning, and this doesn’t even get into the things that matter less to me.

Haha again gonna shout out my wife. Fwiw I could really care less about wallet shopping, so I don’t know anything else, but she got me one from Lotuff some years ago and I find it quite nice and aging well too.