Dry

12 hours ago, Dr_Heech said:

I would love to see some photos of your ds 1975 pair, as l'm sure many others here would too. If you could take the time to do so when it's convenient then that would be great. I think 1300 was a good price if they fit you(?)

Yes, they fit fine W32 L36. They were BNWT but I wore them for a while and still wear them sometimes when the mood takes me. I will get them out in the next day or so.  I have posted pics of them on here: Levi's Vintage Clothing - Page 728 - superdenim - superfuture – supertalk  .  The patch started to come apart so I sewed it.

11 hours ago, Dr_Heech said:

I didn't keep mine long enough to find out the difference; sold them as deadstock to a collector for a handsome price. I did have a couple of other pairs prior to those l was speaking of (old tkmaxx pick ups circa 2002) - tried to wear them like you, one soak and whatnot, but as soon as they hit water, the denim shrunk like crazy, so the wrinkles were in the wrong place aimost. They were a good starter lvc jean but l prefer looser cuts.

Plus l only like the more accurate repros of old Levis now.

I never have any problem with shrinkage. If they fit me raw, they fit after being washed having first been worn for a couple of months. Always machine washed, but always cool: cold or 30C (40C max) unless I want to shrink them. Interesting about the collector buying deadstock - when I die, I fear that my heirs will give my 188 item collection of BNWTs LVC jeans plus a few Type 1, 2 and 3s, some arced Fullcount jeans and Type 1 and 2 jackets, and my Ironhearts  away to charity and will not cash in on their value. Also I have a few 1990s BNWT 501s Made in the USA and a large number of Levis and a few others  which have been washed and worn, some faded but none ripped or torn. Who/where are the collectors? Do they buy off Ebay or is there a specialist forum? ...........having said all that, I did pay £700 for a pair of  555 1955s within the last year and £1,300 for a deadstock 1975 pair of 501s a few years ago.

7 hours ago, Dr_Heech said:

Different bolts of denim??

Same thing happened to me with my 2x pair of 1996 201XX. Made months apart but with two (almost) different denims, one more greycast and hairy, one bluer iirc. The info is all there page 1 Levis vintage clothing thread on Denimbro. Nobody knows for sure how consistent the bolts of denim were produced or even where from (??)

Thanks for the info and intro to Denimbro @Dr_Heech prefer the canvassy ones. Is there any difference in the fading characteristics?

Hairy v Canvassy

The top pair from September 1998 are hairy while the bottom pair from from August 1998 are more canvassy. Does anyone know the reason for this?

1 hour ago, Dr_Heech said:

 

^Best in what way? Fit? Details? 

Do you have a worn pair in this model?

I like the denim (from 1998), the quality of the finished product, the colour and the details. These are a once washed pair. 

These are the best in my opinion.

In my opinion, the 1937 501XXc made in 1998 are the best! They are currently available deadstock all 36 length in waist sizes 31, 32 and 33* (* only a few left). https://item.rakuten.co.jp/codet-r/levis-37201-0003/

On 8/5/2021 at 8:47 AM, Rehnen1 said:

@Dry do you use and stretch them before initial wash to? 
 

Like I said mine fits tight in the waist but not that tight in thighs. 
The size I bought are W30 L34 and they feels good. I don’t mind if they shrink some more in the thighs but there’s only a little room left in the waist.

I think I will try a W31 L34 to just see how they fit.

   @Rehnen1  Sorry for the late reply. 

 If they are tight at the waist I just wear them for a couple of months before washing.

If they are tight after washing I just pull them in and out (like you are clapping your hands) to loosen them up.

As long as there is plenty of length for length shrinkage and enough room in the thigh to pinch the denim between your fingers and thumb, they will be fine.

You have more than enough room in the thigh (more than I would have) so they might  not shrink enough for you and then end up too loose.

As long as you can do up the waist and fly buttons when they are raw (even if it is a struggle), they won't be too tight.

Ultimately fit is personal choice. 

On 8/3/2021 at 7:30 PM, Rehnen1 said:

Hi! 
another size advice question.

I bought a pair of 1947 shrink to fit 475010200. 
Before any wash they sit tight in the waist and kinda what I want. 

What can I expect in shrinkage after a wash and how much will the stretch after some wear?

I have read a lot in this thread already. But I’m asking because I tend to always buy to big jeans. They sit good in the waist after the wash but after a while they always stretches to much according to me. 
 

So if I keep this size do you think they will be good after a wash and some usage so they will stretch?

 

Don’t want to buy a to big pair of jeans again 

 

Thanks!

I always buy mine tight at the waist and let it stretch out. On the 1947s you need to check that the thighs are not too tight. 

On 6/17/2021 at 11:52 AM, andyrcii said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133791381659
 

lets see how much a pair of cone NWT Levi’s are really worth

What conclusion did you reach @andyrcii ?

On 7/17/2021 at 7:45 AM, Sympathy-For-The-Denim said:

@hazelthese are legit and from what the wash tag reads made in march 2007, be happy to find an US Made 505 that also features the imo cool scoovil zipper,

later reincarnation had been produce in turkey years before LVC quit the US production of the hole line.

I agree totally about the Scovill Zipper. It was what I had on my first pair of 501ZXXs or 502ZXXs.

Here are some pics of my February 2000 822 1873s after 2 months of wear - no soaks, no washes. They are certainly showing potential for crease fades. Length 36 in waist sizes 31, 32 and 34 are still available deadstock for around £300 at: https://item.rakuten.co.jp/codet-r/levis-125-0024/

Interesting that this pair of made in February 2000 822 Washington State All Seasons Sewing Factory 1873 First 125 0024s should have the price tag of 25,000 yen printed on the label. Over 21 years later they are selling for 44,000 yen.

The red tabs are now bigger and less rigid than on earlier models. Top row: 1996, 1996 and 2000; bottom row: 2018, 2019 and 501XXc's from 1998.

1 hour ago, andyrcii said:

looking at the flat levis's red tab, they have not been washed, or very mildly. the red tab curls up the more washes it gets

Good point. They were made in November 1998 and my experience is that the red tab on the older models doesn't curl up as much as it is does on the newer models. I will look to add pics to demonstrate this. 

I would love to get my LVC to fade like these - is it something about the Japanese water? ヤフオク! - 米国製 リーバイス 30s復刻 37201-0003 501XXc ... (yahoo.co.jp)

If anyone is interested in any Made in the USA 1873 First February 2000 deadstock 822 on the button these are currently available at £222 in the sale (sizes 31 and 32 only). They are sold as having been made at Washington State All Seasons Sewing Factory. Size 32 is in short supply. https://item.rakuten.co.jp/birigo/levis-125-0024/

They are very well made (see raw pics) and do not have the same problem as my other pair of 822s where the left pocket lining stuck out (see washed pics).

My 501XXc's after 2 months wear, no washes, no soaks. A few baby fades emerging now but promise of whiskers and more to come. 

A bit of character starting to show through on my 1937 501XXc s after just over 7 weeks' wear. No washes, no soaks, just plain raw September 1998 Valencia Street jeans.

On 4/22/2021 at 8:44 AM, Dry said:

Has anybody heard of the Washington State All Seasons Factory? I believe that may be factory 822. @Maynard Friedman  @PaulT

 I think I may have the answer: 

If Washington State All Seasons Factory is an autotranslate for Four Seasons Sewing LLC, that was a Washington Wa Limited-Liability Company which filed on December 19, 2012. The company's filing status is listed as Administratively Dissolved and its File Number is 603261637. So, @Maynard Friedman and  @PaulT and anyone else who might know, it would appear that 822 was not a Levis factory, but a cut and sew factory like Taylor Togs, would it not? These are my only (rather large) 822s.

On 2/9/2021 at 11:59 PM, Maynard Friedman said:

I still haven’t been able to uncover any definitive evidence re the 822 button code but here’s a bit of interwebz detective work.

First, a link to a pair of LVC 1873 First Blue Jeans for sale at Pavement Clothing in Japan with an 822 button and 555 tag. The description from the site is below.

“The W31L36 has number 555 on both the reverse side of the top button and the inner tag whereas the W36L38 has 822 for the button and 555 for the inner tag, however they are both from the same 2000 collection and made in the Valencia factory. Also the W31 has the paper tag missing. The w36 has all the tags attached.”

I’ve also seen an LVC 507 jacket on Japanese Amazon with a description including an 822 button code, claiming they were made in 2000 at Valencia St.

Finally, here’s a screen capture from eBay of another pair of LVC 1873s currently for sale ($600), with an 822 tag, made in 1999. The seller doesn’t know which factory this represented. I think this is the same pair/photo that Dr Heech posted yesterday.

Has anybody heard of the Washington State All Seasons Factory? I believe that may be factory 822. @Maynard Friedman  @PaulT

3 minutes ago, Dry said:

These are my most faded Taylor Tog 643Ms

These from S1 2006 had a small e tab. They came from American Classics and they had them the same with small e, big E and plain  R (registered trademark) tabs so I got 2 of each but wore the little es in first.

These are my most faded Taylor Tog 643Ms

42 minutes ago, crownzip said:

Thanks Dry. Just curious, what makes them look like Taylor Togs?

The length of the seam between the waistband and the yoke, the denim and the shape of the rear pocket. What is on the button @crownzip ? I like them.

1 hour ago, unders said:

@Dry Paul’s got you covered mate

http://www.trynka.net/archive/201_1922.html

@unders  but those are the 1922 edition rather than the 1937s which in the late 1990s were made of the same (or similar, @PaulT will know) denim to the 1955s of the same era.