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1 hour ago, ecsong187 said:

...but im more into vintage fades. I tend to wash my jeans often, right side out, I’ll even throw them in the dryer for 10-20 minutes...

Does this result in “vintage” fades or 1980 “stonewash” fades of a monochrome?

For me, the fade must be equally supported by other signs that come with age such as variations in indigo, fraying at the front pocket and maybe the hem, wallet telegraphing, etc...

Otherwise, it stands out to me like a Hollywood type after a visit to their plastic surgeon.

1 hour ago, VivaMarlon said:

Lately I've been doing a single cuff, about 2-3", sometimes a smaller double cuff, anything beyond that feels too chunky to me.  

In SE Asia during the rainy season I single cuff 6”-7”...  ;-)

Ironically, in Texas, the “western wear” crowd wear very long inseams and never cuff. Google Wrangler. The irony for me is almost all old photos and denim advertisements show actual cowboys always had cuffs. 

3 minutes ago, ecsong187 said:

Your opinion on cuffs?

tiny single cuff

double

triple

monster cuff

no cuff

im honestly at a point where I’m not into any cuff at all. I’ve been hemming all my denim. I feel like the cuffs make me seem stubbier. Maybe it’s a mind trick Idk

 

There is no wrong abswer. In fact, I don’t like the broken fibers which occur at a cuffline so I will change cuff length daily. Also when swapping boots for sandals. 

Cuffs do make legs stubbier!

35 minutes ago, Geeman said:

Are cutoffs not shorts.......

I think it must be a local vernacular that differentiates the two where I live.

I always think of denim shorts as those which are hemmed.

Hmmm...I just started googling for an image to prove they can look cool on a man but can't seem to find even one image that supports my claim on the entire world wide web....Lol

But that won't stop me from wearing my cutoffs most Saturday mornings to do yardwork and mow my lawn and jump in the river when I finish.

@chambo2008

Were those turned inside out during wash?

On the discussion of denim shorts...never.

Denim cutoffs...yes.

1 hour ago, 428CJ said:

A tucked shirt, a belt, and hiking them up so the crotch sits at the intended point in relation to your body, will all go a long way....

Geez Dad, you forgot to add “Stand up straight. Don’t slouch!”

Lol

Another cool Button style.

@Broark

Don’t quit your day job...Lol

8 hours ago, scooby said:

 For jeans I plan on working in I prefer a little wiggle room.

 

Same here.

34W fit best but 36W for work.

The reason I don’t want to believe its Sorghum is because the denim will lose some of its historical “cool” factor for me...Lol

I guess I am a “Sweet Millet Blend Denier” even after a convincing argument has been presented to the contrary...Lol

Wrong thread

Cool video does not help answer the question of which is in SC denim but is informative all the same:

Japanese has distinct language for both Sugarcane and Sweet Sorghum. The Japanese advertisements for the 50/50 denim Okinawa and Hawaii both use the forms of Cane in their description “Shugākēn” but nothing that translates as a Sorghum crop. My position is that no conclusion can be drawn without additional investigation or definitive proof. But I certainly enjoy this aspect to SC over fit pics ;-)

Sugarcane: Shugākēn

シュガーケーン

Sugarcane: Satōkibi

サトウキビ   

9 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

As mentioned above, I don't think actual sugar cane fibres are used for all that much, and when they are it's more like a rayon / viscose sorta deal. Heddels generally isn't all that trustworthy of a resource.

I would kindly disagree. That arricle mentioning Rayon/Viscose was simply one type of textile use discussed as a high volume “Natural” commercial alternative to environmentally damaging cotton; however, bagasse is a great fiber and works well when it has a carrier fiber such as cotton in the blend. Since Toyo started as a textile mill, this would be a creative endeavor and not cost-prohibitive.

If you look at the history of the varieties of SC in HI, they are all Cane and not Sorghum varieties. Sorghum’s presence in HI is quite recent and the focus is as a fuel feedstock and also because Sorghums recent resurgence as a gluten-free alternative for flour products. These are not sweet sorghums. 

I am not going to say that SC denim is actual cane because I simply do not know. Its a coin toss.

2 hours ago, Spiraltoy said:

@Broark

Even thought waxed cotton thread is good, I’d recommend polyester as it’s stronger. 

Sail repair is a heavier thread and the wax makes it quite impervious to friction. Plus it would be “era correct” as its useful for leather boots and canvas packs, etc in use at the time.

@jewellben

Don’t toss ‘em.

Soak in cold water long enough for the fibers to get thoroughly saturated and with buttons all fastened. Insert an object in the waist that will stretch the fabric maybe an 1”. (Piece of wood or back of chair, etc).

The remaining stretch will occur once you wear them a few days.

My own thought is 40* is warmer than necessary for a washes/soaks unless your goal is to shrink.

BTW, they are a great weight & loose cut for tropic type weather.

@Broark

I use waxed cotton threading from a Sailing Supply for repairs like jeans buttonholes that are under tension.

@Thanks_M8

Thanks for the details. Those britches were not advertised on the USA Ebay.

Seeing the word “Zuckerrohr” in the title brings back memories of a German film from the ‘80s called “ZuckerBaby”. My girlfriend at the time used to hate it when I started calling her that...Lol

@Foxy2

I saw that article awhile ago when we discussed this topic on this forum earlier but its confusing. It does appear to reference (but not name) Toyo Brand SC but Sweet Sorghum is a relatively new crop for HI and I think primarily motivated for BioFuel stock (although it has been an agricultural feedstock in the Midwest for a long time).

I just don’t know since it could be a translation issue, a marketing thing (after all, who wants to buy Sweet Sorghum Denim) etc?

I picked up an electron microscope at a garage sale last Fall. I suppose I could put my Okinawas under it and see which fiber it is.   ;-)

@Thanks_M8

Where did you find those?

What size?

Cinch back Score!

@julian-wolf

It was my understanding from google searches that SC denim blends have all been from actual Sugar Cane and not millet.

One example was Heddel’s:

https://www.heddels.com/2013/10/sugar-cane-co-jeans-short-sweet/

@julian-wolf

Sugar millet is part of the grass family; however, it is very different from SugarCane (as you stated).

I am not aware that it has been grown commercially on the Hawaiian Islands until recently for BioFuel.

Whats the connection between SC and millet?

1 hour ago, Maynard Friedman said:

I think it was a mistranslation and they are 50:50 cotton/sugar cane.

If they were sprayed or saturated in sugar crystal then I think my dogs or children would have chewed my Okinawas up by now.

;-)

@Maynard Friedman

Cery Cool.

I love the experimenting with all these other natural fibers!

@mlwdp

Absolutely can be done and when only 3-5 pants can have a $1,000 value and fit in a shopping bag, it is a good suggestion.

Just save receipts and photos.