CharlieMike

The evolution of my 714 after wearing it for 100 days and 3 washes.

Thank you for your answers. Not easy, I have the impression that I could take a W31 for the 0105 while I wear W33 in WH. The fabric is quite "elastic".

Hello, I would like advice on a fullcount 0105 13.7 OZ One Wash. I wear W33 in Resolute, Warehouse, and W32 in Denime (by WH). What size do you recommend for the FC 0105? With several washes, does the fabric shrink? Thank you in advance for your help.

7 hours ago, AnOldFolkSong said:

One of the better sites ive seen since levisguide went under.

I think it's great, it's real archival work. I wonder why the 501 XX is missing.

On 2/27/2024 at 1:37 PM, indigoeagle said:

I think, the confustion stems from the following.
One assumes, that 66 model refers to Levis 501XX made in the year 1966 as a blue print.
Howeve it seems, that the definition is that the 501s produced from 1973 to 1980 are referred to as “66”.
The name comes from the fact that “© 1966” was printed on the flasher.
The 66 model is again subdivided into first half and second half models.

Same same, but different is the Big E- model.
This refers to the 501s produced from the late 1960s to 1973.
After the Big E the red tab showed “LeVI’S”.
Also the lot number was changed from “501XX” to “501”.

According to this Japanese Denim somelier "mtk0058" among others the v stitch at the top button was used until 1969 and the parallel stitch from 1969/1970 onwards.

There were also changes in the arcuate stitch colours and a switch from from back pocket hidden rivets to bartacking.

So, I guess, when a 66 model is offered it can be one with Big E, first half 66 and second half 66 characteristics. And the cuts were probably also changing over the years.

Clearest would probably be the following three models:

1. Big E with parallel stitches 1969-1973
2. 66 first half model and
3. 66 second half model

There are probably other theories about this. But this is the info I had found on the insta of mtk0058 and in this article.

@indigoeagle I found this site which is interesting for historical information: https://denimarchieves.com/e/index.html

On 3/9/2024 at 3:53 PM, indigoeagle said:

I normally wear a 34 in most, 36 in Resolute.
The 47 is generally smaller fitting. So for me 36 would be recommended, thus for you I'd say 34.You might get away with a 32, but it could be tight. Not sure.
edit: I just saw, that there is also a W33 availble. That might your best option.

Some retailers have the 47 in non/wash.
I didn't find them very stretchy. But of course the o/w will stretch quite a bit in waist.

@indigoeagle Thanks for the advice, I will indeed take size W33.

Hello, I need some advice on model 1947 (standard) from Sugar Cane. I have never worn SG jeans, I have doubts about the size, what size do you advise me to take? I wear W33 in Resolute, W33 in Warehouse and W32 in Denime (by WH). Does the fabric stretch a lot? Another question, I saw that the jeans were sold One Wash at certain retailers, but the fabric seems almost raw, do you know if it reduces further with washing in the washing machine? Thank you in advance for your help.

21 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

If you wear a 33 from Warehouse, you’ll likely be comfortable in either a 32 or a 33 from Freewheelers.

Thank you so much. Did you notice any additional shrinkage between the new one wash jeans and the first time you washed them?

On 3/2/2024 at 2:02 PM, vlad_III said:

My waist is 91 cm and I wear size 36 comfortably. 

@vlad_III  Thank you so much

I need advice on the Freewheelers 601 XX 1947. Could you tell me how it sizes? I wear W33 in Resolute, Warehouse and W32 in Denime (by WH). This 1947 601 seems to be generating a lot of interest. I'll be curious to try it. I saw that there was also an L30, is it a real length 40? Does anyone have any measurements or advice on these jeans? Thank you in advance for your help.

@julian-wolf Do you have any recommendations for a book or article on the web on the subject? I have the famous book "501 XX A Collection of vintage jeans".

@silencejoe Thank you for the photos.

@indigoeagle Thank you for these explanations and this clarification. I found some matching information in this link: https://www.heddels.com/2016/11/vintage-levis-501-jeans-the-ultimate-collectors-guide/

Il y a 2 heures, Maynard Friedman a déclaré :

@CharlieMikeJe pense qu'en termes de discussion sur le SC66, il n'y a pas de vérité objective sur la vérité sur la façon dont il est vrai pour l'original. Demandez à une autre personne et vous obtiendrez une réponse différente basée sur sa propre compréhension subjective de ce qui constitue une coupe de 66 (y a-t-il vraiment une telle chose de toute façon ?) et à quel point le modèle SC est proche de réaliser cela. Ils ne font aucun doute que ce que quelqu'un chez Sugar Cane/Toyo croit être représentatif de cette époque doit donc être basé sur quelque chose. Si vous acceptez que le SC66 soit dans ce stade et que vous aimez la coupe, les mesures, le denim et les détails, alors cela vaut probablement la peine d'y aller. Si ce n'est pas le cas, continuez à chercher...

Thanks, that's not wrong. The SC model looks well made. I'll probably try it.

Would anyone know the difference (if there is a difference) between: the last BIgE (period 1970-1971), without "V" stitch, with the upper belt in orange chain stitch, coin pocket without selvedge and the first model called "type 66" (period around 1971-1978?

Il y a 17 heures, yung_flynn a dit :

Si vous n'êtes pas complètement installé sur une repro 501 1966 (ou si vous êtes prêt à opter pour une repro de type 505), il y a aussi Warehouse 1105 - une repro 551zxx du début des années 60 - que vous pouvez parfois trouver de seconde main. Plus tard, les courses utilisent Banner Denim, ce qui, bien que génial, ne gratte probablement pas la précision historique qui vous démange en termes de denim (moins sûr de la coupe). 1105 est au premier plan parce que je suis tombé sur une paire NWOT que j'ai envisagée.

Thanks for the information, I have quite a few jeans, I'm really looking for a reproduction of the 66 model. It's true that the banner denim is very cool.

12 hours ago, wmb said:

I just received a pair of 66.  I really like the fit -- I have the 47 in a couple of sizes and this already feels like it will fit better after a wash or two.  When the top of the 47's are comfortable the leg seems a bit wide for my current taste.  These thread the needle with top comfort and not being too billowy....  I really like the denim on the 47's and this feels similar, though in the unwashed condition it's a bit hard to tell how they will develop.  And the price is pretty nice also...

OK, thanks, I'm keeping the SC 1966 in mind, because I just bought the WH 1947 DSB. I received it yesterday

10 hours ago, NilsLW said:

@CharlieMike The SC66 is a good pair of jeans I can recommend them, the top block and thighs however are quite roomy in comparison with the legs that taper slightly. I get the feeling comparing the measurements with real 60s pairs that the hem is slightly smaller in comparison with the top block/thighs. Also important to note as @beautiful_FrEaK said this is not a ”66” repro but a late 60s aka ”BigE” repro.

Thank you for your reply. The SC 1966 is not a “66” repro, it rather corresponds to the period of the last BIgE (1970-1971)?

6 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

No idea but very well possible. But probably a blend of different cottons anyway.

In general, Sugar Cane does very good repros. Many consider the 1947 to be one of the best '47 repros. So why shouldn't they also make the 66 as good?
Only in comparison with all the other brands, the SC stick out with the high rise. But thanks to your link, it seems there as similar high rise vintage 66 models.

@beautiful_FrEaK  Thank you for your reply. I just received my WH DSB 1947, I can't wait to see the cut. The Acorn VTG site is for me a very good reference for historical cuts/measurements.

4 hours ago, JohnM said:

As b_F said, I've owned jeans from many makers, but not many 66 models, other than the original from Levi's (when I was a kid) and a Cone pair from LVC.  The latter is quite true to my memory of the original -- pretty straight from the hips to the hem, medium rise, and a tendency for the jeans to drape down on the hips and fall from there.   Of all the Levi's pairs I've tried, the 66 is the least body conforming and most 'anti-fit'.  That's not to say I don't like it, but there's probably a reason (fit-wise) why the Levi's models from the 40s are so popular.

I'm not familiar with the Sugar Cane 66, but SC does a good job with repros, as does Warehouse, as b_F said.  Of the many choices, I'd probably start with those two.

@JohnM  Thank you very much for this clarification, it is very useful to me. I will probably choose the SC model (I already have two Warehouses in my collection). It is true that "the best proportions" seem to be those of the 1947 model. I received my WH DSB 1947 just today.

1 hour ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

The best person to answer this is probaly @JohnM as he wrore the original in his youth. And he has quite a lot of expereicne with different jeans.

In terms of fabric I think Resolute do it very well (not so much in cut though). I think the SC 1966 are too high rise and the TSB 60s too low rise. So right now I wouldn't be able to tell you who does the best interpretation. Maybe Warehouse?

I have lot 1101 (BigE 1970) from WH, I don't know if this one is considered "66 type", but I would like to compare it with the SC 1966.

@beautiful_FrEaK  Thank you, I am trying to compare the measurements with originals presented on the site: https://store.acorn-vtg.com/ the measurements of the SC 1966 seem quite close. Do you know where their cotton comes from? USA?

@beautiful_FrEaK  Thank you very much, this helps me There are many brands that offer the 66 model, what do you think of the Sugar Cane 1966? Is the fabric from the Cone Mills porch of this era? I'm looking for a "66" model that is as close as possible to the 501 of that era. Do you have one to recommend? I know that there is also the LR01 from Superstitch, the TCB 60 (but the height seems low to me). Thank you in advance for your advice.

Hello, what do you think is the best reproduction of the model 66?

Can anyone tell me about the 1966 Sugar Cane? How is the brand shaped compared to Warehouse or Resolute? I wear W33 pure WH and Resolute. Do you advise me to take the same size? Is the 1966 model a good reproduction? The fabric and the cut are similar to the 501 of this era? Does anyone have measurements for a size W32 or w33?