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1. above post is absolutely hilarious 

2. I was speaking of the influence of algorithms more in the sense of what the companies we have already mentioned (Facebook, Amazon, Instagram, eBay, etc) on less politically involved people, none of them have tracked my aesthetic properly either, but I know it is desperately trying to, and meld it with whatever it thinks the most effective advertising possible is (Instagram is becoming especially obnoxious here). I don't think that it will be able to predict the wants of people closer to the fringe for a while still. 

The whole thing reminds me of that bit in Idoru about Slitscan's audience being able "only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections.”

Returning to more topical material

I would love to hear about LOT whenever you want to share. I can't disagree with you. Shopping for basics is a total pain, and is boring, 

yes,  you're right, they are operating on totally different degrees of magnitude.

the idea of it is minimalistic in the sense that minimalism is reducing the factors one might worry about, in that sense, LOT is totally minimalistic. 

I'm not sure what LOT is trying to do just yet, whether it is an art project or a serious anti-fashion service. It is simply too young. Who knows, maybe ten years from now, half the population will be wearing slightly different T-shirts that arrive on their doorstep every month, maybe LOT will disappear in a few months.

From what I extrapolate from the website and the SSENCE article is that the 'personalizationa' is a bit gimmicky and superficial right now, but who knows what the future holds

Just to say, I haven't subscribed (and probably won't)

I totally agree, those shoes especially look super 'sweatshop-y'

My interest is in the concept, I don't plan on (proverbially) submitting to our technological overlords that easily.

LOT, or rather its implications are what is most interesting to me. It's that Gibsonian idea about it, human tastes as defined by an algorithm, as seen in what articles Facebook decides to show a certain user, or what items are first on a google search. All of it is becoming more and more regulated by algorithms designed to show what a person is most likely to want to see, like Amazon's highly sophisticated program that knows what book you want to read well before you do.

@Inkinsurgent @brainerd666

I don't think any of us can really speak of the products of LOT2046 yet, we don't know what it really is unless we have it in hand, and that's just the stock items from first few months, who knows what LOT will send to certain people multiple years into the subscription 

I agree that the stock examples are super derivative, but those pieces are only a starting place for a service that tailors your package to your tastes. LOT doesn't know your tastes at the start, so LOT is staying relatively conservative, they are what the company has decided would be the best pieces to attract the attention of different people with different tastes.

These first pieces lack any kind of specialization, they are intentionally unassuming, and yeah, kind of boring. But the program seems inherently anti-fashion. It removes brands or trends or aesthetics from the user's consideration. You get what they send, and if you don't like it, you send it back for another piece that is hopefully satisfactory. Fashion is based on the wearer's choice and is one of the most blatant ways to advertise one's values. LOT is akin to being dressed by your mother. A small limitation of choice. 

I'm interested to see whether it adjusts itself around your pre-existing tastes more than you adjust to its.

yeah, the print on the tag on pants haven't stayed on a pair of mine for more than a few weeks of regular wear

1 hour ago, WillKhitie said:

Also, given how Gibsonian this is, I'm surprised this hasn't found it's way here in any permutation. 

Pick it up here:// https://www.ssense.com/en-us/interview/engineering-the-end-of-fashion

Here's their actual:// https://www.lot2046.com/

I'm truly impressed

I'm not sure if I should subscribe immediately or avoid it like the plague 

...

I don't want to become the product of an A.I.s

2 minutes ago, vir2L said:

3. Be size L or XL so you can be asleep on the day of release and still walk away with 5 jackets, 4 shirts, and 3 pairs of pants

Guilty..

most of the time, either L or XL fit me well.

could still pick up a J34... 

Essentially, if you want to wear Acronym, you need two things 

1. the knowledge the brand exists

2. the willingness to fork over the cash/pay the duties (oh hey, your $1100 jacket is actually $1400 because it isn't made locally *shakes head(I know, duties promote local business, but it's a pain in the ass for us))

beyond that, it isn't that hard to get a hold of.

so yeah, you're totally right @brainerd666

2 hours ago, brainerd666 said:

Not sure I'd use the Cayce Pollard reference as yes- she was adversely aware of direct branding, but also had an eye for non-linear 'lines' of clothing. I'm thinking that the branding can very often manifest itself too far into the clothing itself. As witnessed of late by both Veilance and Acronym imo. To bring this idea further, I believe that in the character of Cayce, Gibson was trying to express the inherent classical-ness of certain design tropes, and how they transcend hypes, genres, buzz (Rickson pun intended), political movements, and pop/fashion culture as a whole.  

Yes, I do suppose that Veilance and Acronym have become more than aware of their places in fashion.

..And neither of the two can be considered a "design free zone"

Cayce was an example of classic design sure, but she was also an exaggeration of the state of branding and fashion in the early 2000s, the ubiquity of certain brands that constituted the norm, you know, the "Tommy Hilfiger event horizon" where clothing that can be no more derivative, more devoid of soul, and their presence in the environment of inescapable advertising. A point where calculated design and more and more targeted advertising is ever present (insert Francis Fukuyama quote on the "satisfaction of sophisticated consumer demands" here) and the most interesting fashion is a kind of anti-fashion. It's in Stonestreet's slept-in suit, and that shpeal Cayce has about Doretea attempt to "out minimalize" her, and the infamous Buzz Rickson's black MA-1 (which is its own ironic beast [https://www.historypreservation.com/products-page/brands/buzz-ricksons-william-gibson-collection-black-ma-1-intermediate-flying-jacket-modified-tailored-cut/]).

Yes, I suppose you're right @shifty

I live in Vancouver where, according to the CBC,  90% of the population owns an Arcteryx jacket of some kind. 

My local Arcteryx store has a (small) wall dedicated to Veilance garments. I can see how many a dad that just likes Arcteryx would buy their pants from that wall

Edit: who cares about that dad, doesn't change the pieces.

32 minutes ago, Dolphinski said:

If you think the majority of people that buy Veilance are on or around this forum, I think you'd be very much mistaken personally.

I don't think that everyone who wears Veilance is on this forum. I have been wearing Veilance for three years and came across it from via actual word of mouth. I only stumbled across this forum a couple of months ago, more so through an interest in Acronym. 

I agree that Veilance, no matter the extent of their marketing, will attract the attention of mainstream fashion, it is far too visually subtle. The only people that will drop $1200 on a jacket without branding, made of insulated gore, cut for movement, with the aesthetics of minimal, pseudo-futuristic business wear are those like us here. Nor do I think that the actual garments will decrease in quality with an increased popularity (I think the opposite).

A big part of Veilance's  ~cool factor~  is its lack of branding or brand presence. It is clothing that Cayce Pollard could wear or would design. It (and, to an extent, Acronym) exist almost outside of traditional marketing, relying mostly on (figurative) word of mouth, much like the Gabriel Hounds of Zero History, it's near to the very root of cool because it is without advertising.

plenty of companies make clothing without external branding (of course, none to the level of Veilance) but not many have this kind of allure.

I do like the new pieces, but I don't know if I like the increased marketing efforts, wasn't the whole point to be a sort of pseudo-secret brand..

You know, the veil in Veilance..

On 6/27/2017 at 3:07 PM, strikethrough said:

Black/White KMTR's incoming. Sans ACG branding.

 

 

When are they supposed to drop?!

@Voyager The PB factory very well could be a Gore factory rather than one owned by ACR

but what do I know

I also love the articulation in the voronoi, its almost like they aren't there

@Toilettebun That's too bad, If you contact Arcteryx, they should be able to repair them for you. I've had (mainline) Arcteryx pieces repaired in the past. The cost is generally minimal

@Kasper  I normally go to the store in Kits just because its closer to me. They carry most Veilance, but I have never seen it on sale or anything. The factory store only has lower prices for one-offs (in which case, they would still be very expensive). If your staying in Vancouver proper, and were looking for a specific piece, I would just call ahead to either. If you're just planning on browsing, I'd go to whichever is closer.

Big WTB: Veilance Apparat size 36

15 hours ago, halomunkey said:

Conduct is probably the more interesting veilance piece I own. It's the epitome of 'urban techwear' for me due to the c-knit. Quiet (compared to other goretex fabric), light and really comfortable next to skin. Utility is an amazing color, yall rly need to see it in person to appreciate it.

 

I couldn't agree more. I have it in black, but almost bought it in Utility, but wanted to stay more neutral. Probably runs a little cooler.

The conduct is certainly my favorite piece from SS17 (or any SS veilance season) it so light and breathable that I am totally comfortable wearing it in 25+ C without feeling too hot. My go to windbreaker/summer jacket without question. 

Brands like diesel will be in techwear for no longer than a minute. They, and their customers will quickly realize that GORE-TEX is more expensive than polyester.

45 minutes ago, GFNS said:

Was XL ever an option?  I see the measurements are a bit tighter than the J46-WS, so I'm assuming it's a snug fit.

If I remember correctly, there was an XL option last night, but I may be wrong

Full size restock on the J62-PB

https://acrnm.com/products/J62-PB_NA

52 minutes ago, Toilettebun said:

If you wanted to learn then why did you ask for the pattern of the pants and how the articulation works? These are concepts you have to figure out yourself. You came in the forum asking to be spoonfed.

Imagine yourself in front of a canvas with a paintbrush, paints, and an idea for an image. You have absolutely no prior experience painting. You know nothing of colour mixing, proportions, or the like. Is it unreasonable to ask for help?

Although, to be fair to myself, asking for a pattern is the equivalent to asking for a paint-by-numbers sheet

I have taken your advice and begun experimenting with my own cuts and ergonomics

EDIT: grammar