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...after hearing the hook again... that is STRAIGHT from the "Losing Weight" side of his brain...sounds just like something the stocky Cam would write.

That's it, I'm learning this song word for word tonight... WEEKEND, OVER (5)!

I'm prob late as usual

like this cam track

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You know...I've known about this track for a minute, but always forgot to check it out... and I TAKE BACK (almost) what I said about "where's that guy from SDE?"...that is one of cam's best written efforts in a LONG time. I would even think it was a leftover song (minus the beat) from the Confessions/SDE-era if I didn't know any better. I'm pretty fuckin' surprised he did something like this as '09 Cam. Makes me want to scope through that Public Enemy mixtape he had just to see if there are any more recent-years conceptual joints to be heard.

^agreed...very much so.

I somehow feel compelled to post pictures of my "more rare" shirt collection...

Speaking of nifty, wetdream-worthy, visuals focused around memorabilia... I just picked up, whilst in a random bookstore on a whim, Radio Silence ...a book covering the history of hardcore from the roots to '94.

I was apprehensive at first, being that I have already seen American Hardcore a bunch of times through and most of these book/photo retellings merely scratch the surface with the usual cast of 80's basics. Any regular head will know enough about the Bad Brains, Black Flag, D.C./Dischord, the Boston Crew, SoCal, and perhaps Detroit/midwest... and thanks to the clear layout, which kept the pages moving with growing interest, I hit a page with a bit on Citizens Arrest, Rorschach, and Born Against. That instantly widened my eyes/// plus there's a bit on Gravity Recs and the early Screamo movement.

The element which ended up sealing the deal for me, was the beautiful album cover art photo collection...a little conceptual layout piece that lasts a few pages. Really nice to look at. There's a t-shirt section too...but I found that to be a little skimpy/less jawdropping (probably cause I expected a gang of RARE gems to be displayed across the pages...)...

Either way...a good addition to any library, coffee table, etc.

cher was the don of that shit, though. love after love is my jam.

dammit Nesk...I thought I could have some respect for your taste in music. You just fucked it up with that one.

And fuck all of that...true, maybe, Cher (AND HER PRODUCER(s)) can be credited for bringing back the vocoder... but everyone should already know that Roger Troutman was the king master of that shit. C'mon...the Dr. Octagon album had continuous references to that shit.

didn't know it existed tbh; my friend sent me the link to that video a while back and looking for it i wound up on black's myspace

i left quickly

mostly i just like the sample on that one

i heard/heard of peedi (on some freeway tracks iirc) before but i'm still not sure which one he is

word...that is a catchy sample.

Peedi is the Spanish lookin' cat (he's half PR) with the flow. Definitely worth doing research on him if you haven't already...mad videos on youtube and all of them are fuego.

warning: wikipedia just told me ron brownz is on at least one track of the record

Ron Browz is the man behind all of this crazy vocoder club banger shit...so for them, it'd be the song "Rotate" (aka "The Superthug is back"...). He also did Busta's "Arab Money"...and is all on his solo shit going hard with the autotune. I know all of this because I know youngins (no peddyphile).

thanks for them chic raw clips

while we're on some philly jawnz:

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rhymes are decent, mostly the track just makes me laugh

video is ghetto fab

bonus points for referring to coke as lois lane

edit: lawl; watch this video and look at that dude's jay and sb sig

Ahh I didn't know about that one. Peedi is always welcomed in my book. O got better, actually. Ness is...Ness. I don't care much for Gillie...

And I hope you didn't stumble upon this video in searching for all the hot, new Black Deniro shit...because that would make you a fan of Black Deniro...and I would then question your taste in life.

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Feelin that new Cam track on first listen.

Eh. As a long time retired Cam fan, that shit carries on in the tradition of not moving me. Cam (and the rest of the Dips, possibly minus Hell Rell) is the posterchild for not progressing stylistically and/or swaggeristically since the term "holla at ya boy" became mainstream big. I'm tired of non-intelligent Cam...where's the big-wordy, clever concepted, agile, crazy fuck who'd fuck two dead mothers and sell crack to your father's father...and then break down into tears due to how much of an internal conflict such a lifestyle creates at?

how u even gon sigh

they some muthafukin killaz from the p.h.i.

btw, i've never seen a video chick look less happy to be there

I think that jawn was type happy actually...

Aeon Flux?

The Maxx?

Yes indeed...one of my favorite 90's beats, ripped to shreds. He also kills "Throw Ya Gunz" and "Jump" (thanks for that reminder).

Terrible...if RBW hasn't hit you with a link via PM...maybe i can find something for ya...

props for Breadwinner. Wow.

I think the real problem lies with bands, no matter the genre...but especially in hardcore, creating/releasing songs that are super-polished in mix. Where it sounds like the engineer fell asleep on the compressor and juiced the shit out of the music (creating that "loud" quality akin to the new/utterly dreadful Metallica album). Some people call that type of shit a "superb recording" because it is so loud and clear sounding...but I truly think it takes away from the rawness of the music. Not that every band should record on a shitty old Tascam or Fostex analog 4-track...a little clarity and polish is welcomed, but once your sound/tone starts getting on par with Lamb Of God or a Nu-Metal Danzig...you've lost yourself a listener.

I was also going to cite Outkast, for another (genre’s) example of expanding on the original idea/intent. I mean shit, Hip Hop essentially started as competitive party music.

true...I see where you're coming from.

The element of being ultra knit-picky (D-Beat vs. Crust...and even some Powerviolence vs. Grind) can definitely get downright pretentious and find itself fading into straight up tedium. Furthermore, the kids who start shit with other kids just for being “different” are cornballs and hypocrites.

I hear you about the "fun, violent, primal" thing...but I think we're just going to continue in this mode of agreeing to disagree when it comes to hardcore that doesn't structurally stick to tradition (i.e. hardcore with metal, noise, math/jazz, etc. elements thrown in the mix). I like to believe that the original idea behind hardcore can expand...and that there is room for bands who play different variables of said expansion.

The greatest example is one of my absolute favorite bands, no matter the genre, Rorschach (big surprise). I just can't deny how fucking brutal and sick they were. Raw. Technical. Hardcore. Their sound was progressive (points deducted for using such a cliche as fuck term, I know)...in that they sounded like a seamless blend of Black Flag meets Slayer, bands that I, and the rest of my friends, loved (not to mention the undeniable "white streak" of influence stemming from Die Kreuzen, Napalm Death and even, later, The Swans). A band that does covers King Crimson, Septic Death, and mid-Rollins era Black Flag...why not?

Usual Rorschach worship aside...

Basically, I'm saying that the "true" sub-genres of hardcore that came out in the 90's are great and all the more interesting/intricate...so much to pick up.

A counter thought would be that it takes too much time to get into a lot of the tech'ier bands when comparing that to putting on the A-Side of any 7", 10", or LP from any of the first wave hc bands. You either liked what you first heard or you didn't.

I would have to disagree with the above statement max.

In one sense, that's basically saying, don't progress...sound like '81. I love the Bad Brains, all the DIschord shit, Negative Approach, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, etc...but those are all the super classics...you're almost expected to love and know 'emt, just like one's expected to know Wu Tang Clan's Enter The 36 or better yet, Public Enemy's It Takes A Nation... and NWA Straight Outta Compton (in a Hip Hop sense...before one could really be considered a "relevant listener/voice").

I feel like once the much varied 90's stuff really hit home with me, I put that old stuff away...it comes out hereand there of course...esp. at a party or bbq or some shit...but the science of those oldies has been re-exercised tenfold. I'd hate to hear another band come out playing "that old school hardcore punk"...it's 2009. I take back everything I ever said, many moons ago, about liking GOvernment Warning ...for that same reason.

You could apply and argue that same point to the recent resurgence of powerviolence bands (wasn't there a famous quote like "blast beats are so '94"...or was it '96?)...and I DO apply it to the streams of unoriginal bands who simply just got together after finding a group of friends who shared their love for Siege and Infest. I can't front though...I find mimicking the very basic '77-'83 foundation of the music, in this day and age, even worse...an act worthy of being called parody (though I do think it's cool when a sick band "lifts" a classic guitar riff and flips it in their own way, the act of lifting is an obvious statement of homage-pay). Perhaps cause it was so long ago and completely dated (kinda like if 3 white guys wanted to form a Hip Hop group by following the formula the Beastie Boys did on License To Ill...it would sound incredibly stale)...also perhaps it's due to closing off the crazy amounts of otherworldly influences that have been woven into hardcore since (esp.) the late '80's/early '90's.... the lines have been blurred (i.e. "metallic hardcore" has come a long way since the crossover era of DRI and shit like Agnostic Front)...

In another sense, that's already what aforementioned bands like Spazz and No Comment (etc. etc. etc.) were doing...playing straight ahead rock and roll...REALLY FUCKING fast.

Spiel, over. Sorry, I'm kinda flu'ish right now...delirium kicked in a while ago.

Now, if you're in a band that simply harnesses the spirit and energy of '77-'83, that's a different story...

Part two...

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then

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DOWN WITH THE KIIIING!!!

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he's fuckin' with Oschino's delusional ass. Pause.

He got knocked out on that video...shit was dirty...then he supposedly had some on-the-run type shit rumoured about him...and now he's Oschino's little man, while O swears he's the Jay-Z putting together the next State Property.

Plus Joey is wild overrated.

Fuck the bullshit.

Hard diss to Cassidy:

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did absolute justice to that classic banger.

One of the greatest "dirty dirty" songs there is...gotta be:

B.G. - "Hard Times"

Incredible/Classic Fresh production and a young and hungry (more agile) B.G. on the rhyme.

I dunno mang.

Project Pat - Mista Don't Play

Young BLeed - My Own

UGK - Ridin' Dirty (maybe Supertight)

OLD Three Six Mafia

Something by Scarface...The Diary perhaps? Geto Boys shit?

I actually really like Kast's first album...thoroughly got into it semi-recently...(after only really digging about half of it before)...it's cool to hear them in their young and less conservative days.

I dunno mang.

Project Pat - Mista Don't Play

Young BLeed - My Own

UGK - Ridin' Dirty (maybe Supertight)

OLD Three Six Mafia

Something by Scarface...The Diary perhaps? Geto Boys shit?

I actually really like Kast's first album...thoroughly got into it semi-recently...(after only really digging about half of it before)...it's cool to hear them in their young and less conservative days.

NYC? Some good shows coming up. Wetnurse is playing at Lit this Monday. Check them out. Landmine Marathon will be at Lit in April. And I think both bands are playing a show either in BK or NJ...

Some other good shit coming up as well...just can't recall at the moment.

NYC? Some good shows coming up. Wetnurse is playing at Lit this Monday. Check them out. Landmine Marathon will be at Lit in April. And I think both bands are playing a show either in BK or NJ...

Some other good shit coming up as well...just can't recall at the moment.

also...for really really dirty tri-vocal'd PV (much like Spazz...except the songs are a bit less "jokey"/more pissed), check out Forced Expression. Daryl from Citizens Arrest was part of that project and it's great.

also...for really really dirty tri-vocal'd PV (much like Spazz...except the songs are a bit less "jokey"/more pissed), check out Forced Expression. Daryl from Citizens Arrest was part of that project and it's great.

^ hahaha saw that yesterday when I stumbled upon a Holubar 60/40'esque Parka. Not as mind fucking as the recent Blaze Orange Sierra Designs pack, but definitely not a bad scoop if the price was right.

^ hahaha saw that yesterday when I stumbled upon a Holubar 60/40'esque Parka. Not as mind fucking as the recent Blaze Orange Sierra Designs pack, but definitely not a bad scoop if the price was right.