Dogfarm

I noticed a couple people asking about the sheen on raw denim. Has anyone ever put their denim in the oven? I just thought of this since someone said calandering(sp?) which involved heat and pressure, could restore the sheen. So if you put some bricks on the jeans and baked em for a while could it come back? Sounds crazy but if I can get my old 501s I'll try it. As long as anyone here knows if it won't catch on fire or combust .

PS. Does anyone know if it would shrink denim that's already been shrunk by washing/drying.

I thought we addressed people who want to bake denim bread in another thread? are you the same guy? First off I will say the same thing I said before, Don't bake jeans. secondly the bricks would not cause enough pressure. Maybe if you put your jeans between two hot steel plates and them drove on them with you car or truck. I am kidding don't do this, be nice to jeans!

And to answer the second part it very likely could catch on fire.

Kickodigest told me about the oki-ni stuff and I checked it out. Looks pretty nice. Your refering the ones minimaly Labelled as "selvedge jean"? Yeah the seem not too bad, actually really tough to say from the pictures.

Dick Danger has a penchant for posting stuff like that off the cuff... i'm quite sure he doesn't mean to slam you.

i have a question myself - what is the relationship between White Oaks and Cone? are they rival mills now part of the same conglomerate? is one a subsidary of the other? are they separte entities altogether?

Ok I will take his dinkyness with a grain of salt i guess it is in his name.

But, YES what is the deal with Cone and White Oaks. I was under the assumption that White Oaks was a subsidiary of Cone. But at the same time it seems to be it's own entity. We need to learn more about Cone and White Oaks there seems to be little knowledge floating around about them.

chill pill, Dogfarm... i think the lack of responses is simply gaps in knowledge in this area that you're asking about, not a willful ignorance of the topic.

I am not mad because there is not much response, I more didn't appreciate the jerky response to a pretty honest question; that I have done research on and found very little on who uses what or even how to figure it out.

I say just live in them, don't do anything you would not normally do, at the same time don't refrain from doing things becuase you are worried about your jeans.

The "truer" you wear your jeans the more honest the wear on them is, they become reflection fo your life and personality beutiful patinated mirrors of your true self.

PS. I don't do anything special in my jeans just wear them they way I usually would, sometimes I do constructions in them, sometimes ride bike.

re‧search  [ri-surch, ree-surch]

–noun

diligent and systematic inquiry or investigation into a subject in order to discover or revise facts, theories, applications, etc.

I am doing peer and market research right now.

I am not looking for dictionary definitions.

My thread is both an investigation and an inquiry.

I am not asking SF to go out and do research for me but if you know something from your own experience with the product in question I would love to hear from you.

If you don't but want to try and flame my thread maybe don't bother.

Also keep in mind that Cone mills makes everything from value goods to premium goods. Even White Oak doesn't make just only premium, selvedge goods...in fact vintage character, selvedge goods are only a small percentage of their business.

Just because it's Cone doesn't mean it's SF expectation. Not even all White Oak goods are at SF expectation. The only true way of knowing whether a pair of jeans is made with White Oak, Cone, or high-end Cone goods for that matter, is to either be very familiar with Cone's product or to be an insider.

Or if the denim brand advertises it, like with Blue Star "Handcrafted with genuine Cone Mills White Oak Selvage Denim."

This is outlining I guess what i should have straight up said. How does the cone mills and white oaks denim work? There are many variables they can work into the process to make the denim lower or higher quality right at the mill.

Who knows about White Oaks denim, what lines use a really nice quality of White oaks? I guess the only way is to see it in person so who has some personal experiance. And I don't mean this as a burn but I am looking for more than just "X brand uses cone mills or white oaks denim"

Tell us about your experience with it, what was the denim like? Personally.

one month is not much wear.

I have some Lees I am working on right now I have worn every day since Aug 25. 06. They show almost no wear, some wiskering around the crotch and knees which is very light, and the honeycomb may have a tiny amount of fade to it but it might me an optical illusion.

Short answer: One month of straight wear is almost nothing.

Besides you don't want them to break in fast. A fast break in does not give you the depth and quality of shades and colours that long breaks-ins typically get. A long break in will give you a good sense of accomplishment.

Ok, here is a better question. How cna we tell what quality of White oaks denim is being used, I guess other than actually having the denim in our hands and feeling it, looking at it, carressing, tasting, smelling etc....

I would like to know what some poeples favorites made with White Oaks are.

Your insane. But your insanity is braggable. I want to see the whole process you need to make a post of how you make out.

Hige is right you are living the dream.

I don't have any comments that are really helpful.

I have a question though do you have a loom?

I have thought about growing an idigo plant just to say I have one but looking at the dying and indigo making process I would never want to try and make some dye myself it looks dangerous and pretty tough.

You are brave, keeping posting on how things go.

Actually do you have a shuttle loom?

Even if the jeans weren't straight leg, it would be possible to get selvage showing on the hem; it just wouldn't travel up very far. Right? I'm just guessing though.

Someone shoulda bought Ande that deadstock selvage roll

That is true. I think I would not like the look of that though.

Well I hope they carry a few good things in one wash.. cause they are relatively far downtown.

I noticed as soon as I tried on the one wash 45 RPMs that they were more comfortable, and more importantly, less prone to stretching. I could tell that the knees wouldn't really bag out at all vs. raw denim, which I really hate.

I can show you lots of one washed jeans with bagged out knees.

Knees being bagged out is dependent on if you wash your jeans or don't wash them. If any pair of jeans goes for a prolonged period of time without washing they will stretch.

I am curious how you could tell these knees would not bag out?

Your making sweats? Lets all chip in and buy tonnes of sweat pant material so Ande can do some huge sweat pant project!

Depending on the cut of the jean you may or may not be able to see all or some of one half of the selvedge line. I guy who makes jeans like Ande whall could field this a bit better than I. From what i know you would want a straight leg pattern (I think?)

Someone need sot jump in here but just thinking out the logistics in my head of the cutting of the denim, Only pretty straight legs cuts would accomedate for having both the front and back selvedge lines visible.

yeah?

Well if Brian Westbrook is getting jeans made maybe I will too. Seriously though this is a lot of preasure on Mr. Whall. I also doubt he would want to take up this torch. I would be willing to give this a go if Ande is as well.

Ok I am not mad but a bit confused. Post about dumb stuff like fitting jeans and difference between one wash and STF which is clearly addressed in stickies gets tonnes of responses but know one cares about this? Which I think is much more intesting.

Maybe that is the answer to the question only I am interested in this.

One wash:

1. Should be exact to tag size (don't worry about shrink to fitting them.)

2. They really should not be way softer one wash can still be fairly stiff.

3. One wash has lost very little colour so you would get similar fading as well.

I am sure there are some points to add to this but the biggest overall pro is that fitting is much much easier and very little guess work; I honestly don't know what the cons would be, maybe... to sweet for you?

In my opinion a better question is why would someone prefer STF other than principles.

I second the thanks to you, of course, and to Cone Denim. With all my attention to the Japanese denim, I confess an ignorance about Cone's best selvedge. Who, or which manufacturers, are using Cone's best selvedge in what model jeans? Is there a thread or site that provides all that?

You totally read my playbook. I started a thread regard who uses cone denim especially the white oaks.

I am doing some research on what denim companies are using cone mills white oaks selvedge denim. Anyone who knows of what companies use this denim just post a quick link here.

I am assuming maybe some Levis do, The Gap? But who else? I have no idea which lines or how to find out, but I have been hunting.

PS. Don't say Volcom revolvers. I have seen them and don't like them, maybe with some modification to the exposed selvedge on the belt loop and pocket those would become wearable.

Thanks everyone. I don't believe they make this exact model anymore, although as snugglepony pointed out, the arkansas is pretty close.

When I bought these, a friend of mine looked at them and said to me that the Vibram soles on these would last me forever. (They have that trademark yellow octogon-ish emblem). I didn't think much of it, but now I see what he was talking about. They still have almost all of the tread (never been resoled). Most of the wear on the sole you can see at the top edge that is now rounded off. It was initially fairly squared like the inside edges.

Those boots are nice. As a side note I know that Vibram sole well, it is basically their heaviest sole they make. And it does wear out but only with hard wear. I blew through a set of those soles on some hanwag full mountain boots I used for a few seasons treeplanting. So it takes a tonne of abuse but you can wear those soles out fatser then 10 years.

Bottom line Awesome boots!

elite position on a small superfutre thread is actually pretty braggable. so thanks. i dont mean to rub it in but i do mean to be sarcastic.

anyways keep taking a look at the page and see our progress. im hoping to take them to some pretty sweet hot spots and showing them the world. i get saw dust ground into the knees in my wood working class so its giving them a bit of good wear. oh and im pouring concrete in them tomorrow night so maybe there'll be some good dust remnents after that.

has anyone worn a pair of these out yet? or are they tuff like dirtbikes and will last for ever?

pouring concrete in 3 days I think. Tomorrow is just forms prob.

What about the cuffs will you hem them or stack them, or just cuff nice and high, or roll cuff them up?

Hey nice skate board, what is that made out of a 2 X 8?

Your jeans are OK I guess

Good to know that the animation is for a shirt when you're posting on a forum about denim. I'll be sure to ignore all further animations. And if you're not interested in anyone's opinions, then why post asking for them? Oh wait, you only asked to not be flamed, right. Sorry, I guess you should have posted asking for compliments. Great jeans btw. Happy now? I didn't guess what kind of jeans they were, but I'm guessing i don't care, want to take a guess as to whether I'm right or not?

Seriously no offense but if you were here for the knowledge, you would have just kept reading posts until you figured out that posting a pair of $15 pre-washed pre-distressed "surprise it's so-and-so's brand" denim wasn't going to do anything but get you a whole bag of WTF.

Congratulations Fat Stacks.

Congratulations Yet Fung you are the first superfuturian to actually make me laugh out loud.

uhh also can we still guess what kind of jeans those are? I don't recognize the stitching in the back but are they DKNY? That was kind of the first thing that I thought when I saw them.

PS. Do you know what the slanging term "grand" means? It also means one thousands; so... I guess we both learned a new hiphop slang today. :D

These jeans are not quite the right fit for me. But to comment the denim is very nice and the streakiness is super hot. I have a friend who has been were them straight for a couple of months now and I have not noticed too much change in them except for more definition in the streakiness. All in all the denim looks very nice. Wish they fit me.