Paul T

Ah, I found a reference from page 80 here: from 2006 until at least 2009 the Turkish washed 501 used Italian denim, which I am pretty sure was Candiani, which they claimed was due to Nafta or something. They may well have used Orta afterwards because, as you've stated correctly, Levi's and Orta have partnered on quite a few projects.

I love those jeans and instinctively have always thought they were early 60s. LVC's cuts are indeed traditionally kind of stylised. Remember, pattern cutting is not a precise art, shapes will vary between sizes and some aspects, ie back pocket shapes, varied between factories so they are hitting a moving target. However, although some cuts are exaggerated (ie 201) their take on the different patterns has generally become a consensus, although quite a few brands tend to have a higher rise for their 60s models. @Maynard, I was interested by your post sayig the Turkish-made jeans used Orta Mills. Where did you hear that? I do remember enquiring, and hearing they weren't Cone, but I had the vague idea they were Italian denim (Candiani?) - but have probably mis-remembered. Did I say they were Orta?

My natural indigo 1880s were a bit grubby so I gave them a handwash. For those who haven't seen them before, this was pretty much LVC's last model and, more significantly, Cone's last new fabric, an 1880s nautral indigo repro, using indigo grown in the US. It's a bit dark and my hands are a bit shaky (hangover) but this gives something of an impression. My previous natirual indigo jeans included the early Levi's Nevada/Kurabo, the SDA, Sugarcane; this is easily the nicest fabric. Crocks quite a lot but doesn't wash out, lots of crinkling. These are close to the perfect place, so for the summer I've switched to my old 1890s single pocket pair, which are Kaihara fabric I think - nice, but the slubbing is far more regular, Cone really mastered a more random slub on what would be their last new Levi's style fabric. The other pic is the field that supplied the indigo, harvested at dawn.

If Volvo and others are in I think I would be - but the 1880s would be a problem as my main jeans for the last five summers or so are the LVC natural indigo. But I will keep checking. Volvo, sorry life has been tricky. It's been a bit challenging here and my 1800s is gone but we are all still standing This has to be 18 months or 2 years for me - in 1 year I wil swtich to 3 days a week so I reckon I've a good chance of placing with 4/7 of the wear that Volvo or Maynard have

Been rationalising; sent the SDA that I use for working aroubd the house off to the charity shop, and Lady T has fixed up my Riders. Off do to some sawing and routing, in traditional stylee. These are the second Euro repro, somewhere here I mention where the fabric's made (Nisshinbo?), first lot was made in Ireland, these are made in Malta.

THis is a subject that I know lildavid must be starting to investigate - cheep is there already.Some will suggest it's sad that if you're a denim nerd you plan to inflict it on your kids - I say, why not start em early! SO, if you've trakced down any good denim for nippers, post em here. I'll update with a few items later, but thought I'd post this thread now because H&M have the best kids' denim i've seen, period, when you consider the price. I've seen them at the H&M store on Oford St, London, plus the new store in the old Dickes & Jpones on Regent St. Oxford St had only larger sized, 150cm plus; Regent St still has quite a few smaller sizes, mostly around the 105cm size, for 2 or 3 year olds. They're limited edition and have apparently been out three weeks, so grab them now. WHy so good? Mostly the price: £15, less than the price of getting yer jeans shortened in SoHo. They come in a nifty bag, proclaiming that they're made of organic cotton: (Don't ask me why I shot an off-white bag on an off-white background, I can't answer that). The jeans themselves are a slim but not skinny fit. The detailing is beautiful, chainstitched hems, blank Wranger-style rivets on one corner of the back pockets, conventional rivets elsewhere, and a leather belt patch. The denim is a lovely colour, slightly greencast. Somewhere I have shots of Sammies, Levi's and Warnglers for kids, I;ll post em later, but do update with yours... and if you don't have kids, remember that pint-sized vintage is only a fraction of the price of the adult stuff!