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@ATWM I have the great-grand-grandfather model of what you have, the only thing that is preventing me from pulling the trigger on digital Leica is the film experience of pulling the buttery frame advance lever & never really needing to concern myself with additional settings (+ the price also)
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might not be fully accurate but its pretty compelling.
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Felt particularly painful that these kind of business are actually profitable but not able to continue anymore from lack of expertise/next generation to carry on the work…
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Sorry for the late reply, thats Kapital Socks. Rare colder weather yesterday Jackman/SugarCane 45R RDT
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Denim Blunders, Reflections and General Nonsense.
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Loving the ‘v’ stitch & pocket bag material. 😍
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Ordered this book, photo essay covering the final days of Cone & also documenting the start of Proximity Mills, looks pretty nicee https://www.amazon.com/American-Denim-Supposed-Resurgence-Manufacturing/dp/0764369040
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Disclaimer: following is google translate from the book, so possibly some thing is lost in translation. This happened after the armistice between the Korean and Japanese wars, so it is outside the scope of this book, but in February 1955, the industry's standards for denim weight suddenly changed. The specifications of denim haven't changed, the calculation method has changed. According to Figure C5-1 in the newspaper, the area of denim fabric, "28 inches wide x 36 inches long" (=0.78 x 1.0 yard), was previously used as the standard for weight (ounces), but this was changed to "36 inches wide x 36 inches long" (=1.0 x 1.0 yard). The newspaper emphasized that there was no change in the fabric itself. It seems that both workwear manufacturers and denim manufacturers responded to this change at the same time. Until then, denim manufacturers had used a 28-inch woven width as the standard, and it seems that they had customarily used the old standard value of "28 x 36 inches" (=0.78 x 1.0 yard) because it was easy to manage on site. As time passed, the performance of looms improved and wider denim could be woven, so it may have been unified into a new standard value of "36 x 36 inches" (= 1.0 x 1.0 yard) which is easier to convert for denim with different woven widths. After the Korean War ended in a ceasefire, denim production increased and various types of denim began to circulate, and February 1955 was the time when the industry standardized the labeling system. Looking at advertisements from workwear manufacturers at the time, we can see that starting in February 1955, denim weights gradually changed from "9-10 ounces" to "13-14 ounces" (Lee, Wrangler, Montgomery Ward, Sreas, J.C. Penney, and others also changed). It seems likely that Levi's 501XX guarantee tickets also changed from "10 ounces" around this time. Also, in "Lee Riders Lot 101 (c.1955)" (see page 29), which is shown at the beginning of this book, As mentioned above, flashers marked 133/4 ounces were later labeled "SQUARE YARD WEIGHT." One wonders whether this sudden change caused any confusion in the workwear industry, but it appears that nothing unusual occurred. For example, in 1951, seven major denim manufacturers gathered under the name of the Denim Advice Committee, again at the urging of the Office of Price Stabilization, a new organization very similar to OPA. Since the heads of each manufacturer had an opportunity to meet, it probably didn't cause any problems for the industry to change the ounce notation for denim all at once. I had noticed that the weight of postwar denim had increased over time, but I had assumed that denim had become heavier because of more advanced looms. I was surprised to find that it was simply the surface area being measured that had become larger. Ed Cray's statement on page 134 that "denim weight has increased to 13.5 ounces" is probably referring to the weight after the weight standard changed. I think Cray heard about this in an interview with someone from Levi's, but the person he was interviewing probably didn't know when the weight had increased. Although this is a double standard, both values were actually listed in the official denim specifications published in 1925. Table C5-2 is the specification sheet for unshrunk denim and includes weight data, warp and weft thread counts (per inch), and tear strength. There are two types of ounces for "Weight" in this table. The left side (Per square yard) is the weight in ounces of "1.0 x 1.0 yard", and the right side (Per linear yard, 28 inches wide) is the weight in ounces of "0.78 x 1.0 yard". Incidentally, the number for "Yards per pound, 28 inches wide" is the length in yards per 28 inches of denim x 1 pound (= 16 ounces). As you can see, even before the war, there were various ways of expressing weight according to the workplaces where denim was made. These official specifications were subsequently revised in 1929, 1931, 1936, 1944, and 1961, but all of them basically contained the same several different ways of expressing weight. However, despite the existence of these specifications, I have never seen any pre-1955 workwear or denim manufacturer product documentation that explicitly states that the ounce standard is "square yards" (of course, I may just not be able to find it). And there is one more mystery. In fact, if you convert the numbers in this table of the old and new denim values into the area of the denim, the numbers don't match when the width of the denim is 28 inches. This is true when the width is 28.8 inches. There seems to be an undiscovered truth to this problem. The nominal 28 inches may have actually been 28.8 inches. Snippets & table used in the above column:
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The book also covers the changes in weight calculation after the war, can get it up here if anyone’s interested…
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Hope the following clarifies the matter (google translate From “War Denim” book) During the war, did the denim of the 501XX become thicker and heavier? As I mentioned in the chapter on wartime models in my previous book, "Who Made the 501XX?", this legend began with a sentence in Ed Cray's book "Levi's" (published in 1981; the original book "Levi's. Ed Cray" was published in 1978) about the wartime 5011XX, "The weight of denim had increased to 13.5 ounces." In the previous book, I pointed out that Cray's 13.5 ounce theory was "unreliable." It is true that I have personally experienced that some 501XXs from the wartime era felt a little thicker than others. However, the guarantee tickets from before and during the war, which I also introduced in this book, are consistently stated as 10 ounces. I have not experienced the heaviness of this denim, which is advertised as 10 ounces, as being as heavy as 13.5 ounces. So I tried to measure the weight and denim thickness of brand new 501XXs from before and after the war. The measuring equipment was a Tanita digital cooking scale "KD-400" and a Shinwa Measurement Co., Ltd. digital thickness caliber "MODEL 73746" (measuring element diameter 10 mm, measuring force 1.1 N or less). Although it was not possible to standardize the waist size and length, the measurement results are shown in Table 5-A. The thickness was measured at the same four places on each denim, and the measured data is listed as it is so that the variation can be seen. The top five denims are 501XX and S501XX from Levis, which were also introduced in the color pages of this book. The exact year of manufacture of the pants is unknown, but it is a rough estimate based on information such as the flasher attached to them. The "c" stands for the Latin word circa, which means "around what year." As for the weight, the sizes are not the same so we cannot draw an accurate conclusion, but we cannot see a 35% increase from 10 ounces to 13.5 ounces. The wartime denim appears to be a little thicker, but it is not heavier. The fact that it looks thicker is because the unevenness of the fabric is reflected in the numbers. In the end, there was no evidence from the samples we tested that the fabric became heavier or thicker during the war. The weight of the c.1942 denim in the second row of Table 5-A is slightly heavier, which may be because it is denim from the time when Cone, a denim manufacturer introduced in Chapter 4, was forced to change the settings of its looms, etc. As mentioned in Chapter 4, Cone stated in a newspaper article that denim had become coarse during the war. At the time, it was an extraordinary situation where one person had to be in charge of 58 denim looms. Considering the circumstances at the time, the denim was made differently from the regular denim, with a rough finish, which resulted in them feeling thick... I speculate that this may be the true nature of the legend. Of course, we cannot deny the possibility that such thick pants were produced only temporarily during the war, and that we simply have not encountered them. (This article was based on the verification method used by the blog "Denim Archives." We would like to thank the administrator, Ueda Kenji.)
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