entertainment!

If I may quote beatle:

"Canadian Tux is a must in order to be part of this"

:)SEPTEMBER 1st, ROY DOUBLE-DIP DAY.:)

ROYs and a denim jacket of any denomination. Posted here and xposted where appropriate.

Rnr will probably try to post last and show out, so anyone who wants to try to upstage him, there's your chance.

Beatle, September 1 is the day for Canadian Tux.

:)SEPTEMBER 1st, ROY DOUBLE-DIP DAY.:)

ROYs and a denim jacket of any denomination. Posted here and xposted where appropriate.

Rnr will probably try to post last and show out, so anyone who wants to try to upstage him, there's your chance.

Beatle, September 1 is the day for Canadian Tux.

I just soaked my new Roy's today for the first time.. hot water, i let them soak for a good hour at least. I was surprised that the water did not turn blue. But, maybe with the agitation of the machine it would have. I think others have talked about this. Roy's seem to like to hold on to their indigo.

Cone denim has an amazing ability to hold onto indigo during soaking. This has been true for my ROYs and all the LVC jeans I have that were made from Cone denim. The water is almost always clear after the initial soak.

More photos from Sansome1877. Here are Mike's comments:

"These pants are dry rotted to hell, I found these a wile back near a world war one shack. I will hold back on some details just in case we decide to remake them in the future. The buttons on the pant say W.N Moore D.G. Co S.F Cal, we looked this company up and found that it started in 1917. It looks like they are sort of copying Levi, they have a arcuate stitch on the back pockets but no belt loops. We found a scrap of news print in the pocket that talked about a baseball game that took place in 1922. My thoughts are, these probably date before 1921 because they have no belt loops and of coarse they can not date before 1917. They also have early chain stitching."

Mike's office:

edit: Photos withdrawn at Mike's request.

Pictures of Sansome1877's archives:

Here are some more pictures from Mike:

"The first pictures are of a strange duck pant from around 1883 84, check out the watch pocket. The other piece should be a early 1870's levi back pocket."

Self Edge also carries it (if you want to support a local shop) as well although it is not on their website yet with the first two issues.

"Local shop"? Isn't that a chain with its corporate headquarters in San Francisco? Just kidding. Kiya, I'll stop by SENY to pick up all three issues next week. Thanks for the info.

Dr Heech--Scraps of denim and some shirt material? I am so jealous.

^Can this be purchased in NYC?

Fuck, now I am even more pissed at my self for not ordering the polka dot shirt.

Sansome1877 sent me some pictures to post in response to my question about the sewn on Levi's suspender buttons. Here are his comments:

"The quality of the button picture is not that good, the levi suspender button is pictured with some other buttons and a few rivets that were found with the levi's that were reduced to mulch. I added a jacket photo that did not make it in the book, it's from around the late 1860's to early 1870's. The jacket never had any pockets or cinch on the back."

Please send all rep Mike's way.

It is great to be able to see the back of the early rivets. Mike, it looks like the back of one of those rivets is made of brass, but maybe the photograph is distorting the color. You mention that brass was sometimes used for parts of the rivets in your book. Is this an example?

Mike, I am curious about the construction of the suspender buttons on the pieces you collected. The sewn-on ones that LVC uses in its early repros all have a two piece construction with a front and a back. The front piece is crimped around the edges of the back piece. I have assumed that the two piece construction has to do with ease and cost of manufacturing. Are the buttons on your originals made out of one piece of material?

I thought the idea of ROY double dip day is to be all matchy-matchy, so shouldn't the material of your ROY pants match the material of the jacket? So if you are wearing ROY duck pants, shouldn't you have to wear a duck jacket?

I guess I didn't look very closely when these were first posted, but on the repost, I had to steady myself to keep from choking. One pocket jeans with belt loops are bad enough, but attaching the belt loops and the cinch straps in the same place made me want to fly to Japan and destroy every pair I could find. To me this looks like something from Levi's Red.

Yes, but I'm not trying to dress like a skateboarder or a tramp. I'm trying to look like a miner from the 1880s. The skateboarders and the tramps must have been copying the miners.

Now that ROY has shipped, isn't it time for ROY and black tee day (or whatever was discussed)? We should wait a week or so for the overseas people though.

One of the most interesting bits of information I picked up from the book is that miners did not like to wear suspenders. If they needed help holding up their jeans they used a piece of rope as a crude belt. That's a look we should try to revive.

Does anyone know when the Levis rivet patent expired and other companies started using rivets on their own overalls?

I can tell you haven't received your copy of the book yet! If there is one thing I have learned it is that the answer is 1890. Other than the chapter on Levi's, all the waist overalls shown in the book were created by competitors of Levi's to strengthen the jeans without using rivets. The focus of the book is from the discovery of riveted clothing to the expiration of the patent: 1873-1890.

A funny thing popped into my head as I saw those pictures - "boy there sure are a bunch more girls there than I would have thought for an event with a bunch of guys drooling over denim". Kudos for that!

They must have heard rnr was going to be there.

The quality of the wool in the watch cap is pretty amazing. It makes all the other knitted wool caps I have look like the pieces of junk they are.

Did we ever find out how much the deadgrass jeans cost? I try not to go shopping after drinking. Unless I know I am going to buy something and need an excuse to tell my wife.

Orvis has the two Rising Sun products on its website, a long sleeve tee and miner's pants:

http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=3K9L

http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=3K63

Not quite as exciting as the deadgrass collection though.

rnr, posts like those make it worth reading through all the sizing questions on this site!