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You'll get differing answers. Some people like the hourly approach, others don't. I took Paul T's sizing advice for the newer 47's so I placed an order for a 34x34 since my true waist is 33.5 and 36x34s would be way too big. I ordered my pair from Lark and they accidentally sent me a 33x34. This didn't turn out bad, as they fit as snug as my ROYs out of the package. I followed the same regimen as the ROYs (one of 3 ways Mr. Slaper suggested himself)-- about a 30-40min. hot/warm soak. Except I wore mine in the tub and around the house (and outside) for the next 4.5 hours. They fit great now. The inseam definitely will shrink, and I am sure I haven't gotten all the shrink out of them yet. Right now it's at about a 32 inseam.

Did you get them off of the link I PM'd you?

i believe craftworkwear in LA may have carried them at one time, though I don't know if they do currently.

i want this belt...

Here are some pics. You can see the fading and contrasts of the (double) indigo fabric-- so nice. You can see the fading on the left outseam around the knee-- where my leg hits up against my door panel while driving-- the other leg doesn't have that wear pattern at all. 6 months of wear, 3 days a week, no soaks or washes. I love the fact that these are denim trousers. I've been wearing them to work, despite the "no jeans" policy. Booya. Oboy..? Your turn, buddy!

one reviewer states these were made in china and not the US as the description says? can someone confirm?

hahahahahaha

someone got it! nice rnr

too many secrets

Thanks. I would say that if you're interested in a particular shirt, give them a call or shoot them an email with the specific item in mind. May main concern was the P2P, so I called the store and asked them if a medium would be a good fit for me (size 40 chest). My understanding is that their sizing can vary slightly.

i was about to say... all this "destination" talk smacks of RRL. for better, or worse...

great call with the hem, and the cuffs look great. well done. i think it's about time some of the folks who have had their pairs of RT work trousers to show some pics of the wear on them (you know who you are). i'll be posting some this weekend-- the indigo has such beautiful fading on these. karl has really done a fantastic job on these!

Same deal, nothing you all don't already know but just adding to the mounting (3-month) anticipation...

From Roy, Sept 16, 2010 11:30:54 EDT:

" I wish it was actually a million dollar question - I know the answer. I'll be selling soon. "

Soon, boys... very soon. Cheers to all you cosmo-PBR-Anchor-steam-Red Oak-[insert micro-brewery here]-drinking-surfing-knitting sons of bitches.

Same deal, nothing you all don't already know but just adding to the mounting (3-month) anticipation...

From Roy, Sept 16, 2010 11:30:54 EDT:

" I wish it was actually a million dollar question - I know the answer. I'll be selling soon. "

Soon, boys... very soon. Cheers to all you cosmo-PBR-Anchor-steam-Red Oak-[insert micro-brewery here]-drinking-surfing-knitting sons of bitches.

+1. Mine are impeccably made as well. B, the second part of your observation is right on-- when you have someone skilled making smaller, more time-intensive batches, you're looking at high quality jeans.

wow. those neustadters are amazing.

Makr is a great brand, too, though similar designs to Tanner. Check out Brooklyn-based Maxx & Unicorn. This camo wallet is pretty rad.

I posted this a few days back. These are on sale at Lark based out of Vancouver. You'll end up paying about $180-90 US (includes $20 flat rate shipping) if they have the size you're looking for. Good luck.

Look for any post by Paul T. and click through his tag-- he lays out the best method of sizing (besides trying them on, of course).

Anyone read the WSJ article on cleaning jeans? They interviewed Carl Chiara, but the really interesting stuff is in the comments. Hilarious exchange between a vet and ER MD.

As with most things MF, the Californians have grown on me. Sorry for jumping on the bandwagon so late, but I'm liking all the looks I'm seeing so far. The "M" pocket stitch reminds me of the Mach 5. This is a good thing.

congrats on the new opening and get well soon!

This is a good question, because in any industry, "handcrafted" can mean different things to different people. In a very literal sense, sure, yes, every pair of jeans requires at least SOME sort of human involvement in the process. I think most everyone understands this. My understanding is that what separates many of the brands discussed on this site (not just Raleigh), and say, the mass-produced jeans found in department stores, (apart from the quality of the denim itself) is the method and technique(s) used to manufacture the jeans themselves. This can boil down to the degree to which human skill is needed to operate the different types of machinery, which then affects time put into the creation of the jeans, which affects the scale of production*.

Raleigh (already posted in this thread)

(Discovery Channel)

(The dude on this seems nice, but I get kind of a "I'm talking out my rear-end" vibe at times)

Rising Sun (video by Put This On)

And of course, most people have heard of Roy Slaper.

*I don't know enough about pattern-making, but I know this step of the process requires a lot of skill as well.

For the non-mass produced jeans, I think it's important to notice the machinery that is being used in the construction of the jeans (again, not the denim itself). Older, vintage machines are simply time-consuming, but when paired with a skilled artisan, the result is a higher quality jean made of quality fabric and hardware. At the time of this writing, I think Raleigh Denim runs with about 14-15 people. I've been to the shop and if Sarah and Victor aren't making the jeans themselves, they're checking the quality of the finished product itself. The difference with Roy (and quite the miracle) is that it is a one-man operation from manufacture to quality control. The similarity is the level of care and time put into creating the jeans, hence the use of the word "craft". I suppose that the Momotaro jeans featured in the link are "handmade" in the truest sense of the word, hence the hefty price tag.

Anyone with more knowledge please chime in because I know I don't have all the answers. I hope this helps.

Anyways, I will keep looking into the smoke smell...maybe it is the indigo, or maybe it is Canada Customs, who knows?

Noodle-- I saw the post on the Tellason thread. Looks like you got your answer... Nice detective work!

Killspencer in LA makes ridiculously good gear from repurposed military materials and fabrics. They look sharp and durable.

^+1 . what size are these?

what a tease.