kiya

I'm quite sure there is no danger involved, at least for people outside of the US.

I think the Japanese versions will not change either.

I'm afraid you're very wrong with that statement. The violations i've outlined on the front page will be affecting these manufacturers through and through. Read my first post on the previous page, the companies are changing their designs for the entire world.

we're still working with Iron Heart on their stitching and tag, Imperial on their tag, and Flat Head on their stitching..

in the meanwhile, we can't release any photos of mock ups. but the final stitchings and tags will be decided on by Monday for all three of the above mentioned companies.

I am in a daze right now, especially after the thought that i'm literally helping all these companies redesign their accents for their entire lines and that we're going back and forth with ideas and drawings and concepts. in the end though, it's their vision that needs to come through, and i'm positive it will.

these are people that live and breath denim, i can only wish to one day be nearly as immersed in the world of denim as they are.

but for now, being sued by Levi's is enough for me.

just finished my meeting with Flat Head via phone...

Flat Head jeans will no longer have the traditional Flat Head arcuates or a tab of any kind.

Self Edge will receive a shipment of their 5100 jeans mid next week with NO back pocket stitching. The shipment will also contain four different shirts, and also some Type 3 jackets. Any shipment after the 5100 jeans will sport the new and improved stitching that they've taken from their Frontier line.

Please, when viewing these new stitchings from all these denim manufacturers, keep an open mind. It's difficult for them to move on sometimes, and they need support in these times.

they're going after two more brands..

these two are far less Superfuture-ish and much more Hypebeast darlings...

more info on that next week when i can talk.

Iron Heart is quickly working on releasing their new line without the arcuates, a different leather tag, and no red tab. We're looking at a February 20th release of their current line to come out without the offending accents. The Self Edge x Iron Heart jeans are still set for a first week of March release.

Imperial will no longer have the horses on their tags, new tag will be unleashed sometime in February.

Flat Head, i have no idea, i have a phone meeting with them in ten minutes that will probably last through the night. We're going to try and figure out exactly what needs to happen to their line and how quickly it can be done.

In response to "did self edge do this?"

Levi's and my own attorney have already informed me that this case was started BEFORE November 1. Which is the opening date of Self Edge.

Also keep in mind that three of the defendents named in the case have no ties to Self Edge in any way.

long story short, this was gonna happen regardless.

ok.. My head is going to fucking blow..

here's a few things..

-cuts will NOT have to change, this has nothing to do with cuts, read my original post if you think that the cuts will have to be altered

-Any further questions regarding what can and what can NOT sold MUST be directed to Self Edge's main phone number which is 415-558-0658

-when calling Self Edge please ask if the pair you want is in stock and available for shipping, at that point we'll know if we can ship them to you. there are certain items which have been removed from our stock for good, and there are certain items that are questionable and we're waiting to hear from the lawyers and are still selling via phone orders.

-please do not fight over this, the entire situation makes us all at Self Edge very uneasy, and the last thing we need is this entire community worldwide to be bickering over boycotts, petitions, anti-levi's t-shirts, etc.. i will say this again, levi's is in the right. the lawyers are seeing that we're cooperating and they're working with us to resolve this issue. keep in mind that this might all take quite some time, and there might be a denim shortage from a few labels for a four week long period, and maybe longer if they decide to fight it in Japan.

-stick with us, i've been following this industry for many years and i can truly say that this is merely another chapter in the progess of denim design and manufacturing. it's going to be nice to see what the japanese companies are coming up with next.

-many of the companies named in the lawsuit have already sent me mock-up drawings of ideas of labels, stitchings, etc.. i have mixed feelings, but i guarantee what ever they come up with will be classic, timeless, and fit the persona of the designer. they take our opinions to heart, so you can know that we're not going to be behind any terrible outlandish stitchings. which by the way, nobody has yet to submit anything that's made me want to gag... you should have no worries...

Denim Por Vida,

Kiya

white and different placing.

The placement and color of the tab does not matter to Levi's.

They are saying you cannot have ANY color tab in any placement on the back pockets sewn between to layers of fabric.

If there's one bit of non-fact info i can spew out right now..

Please DO NOT talk about a Levi's boycott.

That's the last thing we need right now, and besides the fact, keep in mind that as absurd as all this sounds, they are in the right.

It pains me to type out that last sentence..

damn... so Levi's is suing Self Edge, but according to that 3sixteen interview, Levi's wants to make a jean for Self Edge too. ...

I asked their attorney group about that last night and they basically said "Levi's legal department and creative department don't interact with each other"

so who knows...

here goes..

it's been a long few days, so i'm basically going to spit out the facts:

-Levi's is suing your two favorite denim stores in America, along with Studio D'Artisan, Iron Heart, Toyo/Sugarcane, Oni (BS United), and Samurai.

-Everybody is being sued for trademark infringment

-All sales of the above mentioned brands are to be stopped by Friday, January 19, 2007 WORLDWIDE

-US and Japanese Customs are in on this, no jeans made by the above brands are to be sent out of Japan starting two days ago (January 15) to stores OR consumers. you've been warned, don't attempt to order your jeans via a bidding service or have a friend send them to you

-The offending points are as follows: 1. There are to be NO tabs attatched between two pieces of fabric on the rear pockets, 2. The cards hanging out of the back pocket, stapled to the pocket, must not look anything like vintage/modern Levi's Info Cards, 3. Arcuates on the rear pockets must not resemble the Levi's arcuate in ANY way shape or form, 4. Rear leather patch cannot contain an image of two moving objects (horses, motorcylcles, pigs, etc..) pulling apart a pair of jeans

-All product with any of the above mentioned accents must be pulled from the shelves of every store in the world by Friday, January 19

-I've spoken to most of the manufacturers named in the lawsuit in Japan already and they are quickly working on producing jeans with either NO back pocket stitching or stitching that is greatly different than the Levi's Arcuate. We are looking at a four week period where there will be very low stock of denim from these companies

-There are four more companies they're going after, i cannot name those at this time.

-This is one of the most comprehensive and largest lawsuits Levi's has filed against Japanese denim manufacturers

a few quick updates:

-this was a court order, NOT ceast and desist.

-Levi's is winning this, there's no doubt about it

-This lawsuit has been many months in the works, maybe even before any of the aformentioned stores opened

Another update:

ok.. My head is going to fucking blow..

here's a few things..

-cuts will NOT have to change, this has nothing to do with cuts, read my original post if you think that the cuts will have to be altered

-Any further questions regarding what can and what can NOT sold MUST be directed to Self Edge's main phone number which is 415-558-0658

-when calling Self Edge please ask if the pair you want is in stock and available for shipping, at that point we'll know if we can ship them to you. there are certain items which have been removed from our stock for good, and there are certain items that are questionable and we're waiting to hear from the lawyers and are still selling via phone orders.

-please do not fight over this, the entire situation makes us all at Self Edge very uneasy, and the last thing we need is this entire community worldwide to be bickering over boycotts, petitions, anti-levi's t-shirts, etc.. i will say this again, levi's is in the right. the lawyers are seeing that we're cooperating and they're working with us to resolve this issue. keep in mind that this might all take quite some time, and there might be a denim shortage from a few labels for a four week long period, and maybe longer if they decide to fight it in Japan.

-stick with us, i've been following this industry for many years and i can truly say that this is merely another chapter in the progess of denim design and manufacturing. it's going to be nice to see what the japanese companies are coming up with next.

-many of the companies named in the lawsuit have already sent me mock-up drawings of ideas of labels, stitchings, etc.. i have mixed feelings, but i guarantee what ever they come up with will be classic, timeless, and fit the persona of the designer. they take our opinions to heart, so you can know that we're not going to be behind any terrible outlandish stitchings. which by the way, nobody has yet to submit anything that's made me want to gag... you should have no worries...

another update:

Iron Heart is quickly working on releasing their new line without the arcuates, a different leather tag, and no red tab. We're looking at a February 20th release of their current line to come out without the offending accents. The Self Edge x Iron Heart jeans are still set for a first week of March release.

Imperial will no longer have the horses on their tags, new tag will be unleashed sometime in February.

Flat Head, i have no idea, i have a phone meeting with them in ten minutes that will probably last through the night. We're going to try and figure out exactly what needs to happen to their line and how quickly it can be done.

Another update:

we're still working with Iron Heart on their stitching and tag, Imperial on their tag, and Flat Head on their stitching..

in the meanwhile, we can't release any photos of mock ups. but the final stitchings and tags will be decided on by Monday for all three of the above mentioned companies.

I am in a daze right now, especially after the thought that i'm literally helping all these companies redesign their accents for their entire lines and that we're going back and forth with ideas and drawings and concepts. in the end though, it's their vision that needs to come through, and i'm positive it will.

these are people that live and breath denim, i can only wish to one day be nearly as immersed in the world of denim as they are.

but for now, being sued by Levi's is enough for me.

Denim Por Vida,

Kiya

...has begun today.

Buckle up, it's going to be one hell of a ride.

not sure about you all, but i need me the underwear and the laptop case.

and soon, they will be mine.

just a few bits of news.

-the online store opens tomorrow night

-we'll be selling Imperial and a couple of models of Sugarcanes

-we'll be adding a new brand ever week or so

in some sad and unfortunate news...

the denim world was turned upside down two days ago and i haven't been able to sleep since. i'm serious.

there's something going down that's going to severely change everything in Japanese Denim.

and not in a good way, let's just hope all parties involved recover as quickly as possible, in the meantime, thanks for the support.

Somebody find me that Oliver Spencer Withnail coat in a Small and i'll be forever grateful...

OHHH THOSE TAGS!! its not pictured but i have boxers as well. along with that i have selvedge denim its 14.5 ounce redline selvedge right hand twill check it.

thanks for all the input, ill be sure to keep it in mind

hey man.. a few things you might want to consider when talking about your denim..

first of all, that's not selvedge, at least from that photo i'm seeing, it's not selvedge.

second of all, saying your denim is "right hand twill" is the equivelent of saying "my jeans are made of cheap denim"

Left hand twill is premium denim that has a softer hand, and is more costly to produce. Right hand twill is what 99% of the world's denim is made of, as is yours.

I scoured the thread but could not find a definitive answer. Are the 3001's a standard, repro, high-rise (like Samurai's, etc.) or does is have a lower/mid-rise?

Thanks in advance...

The 3001's are not repros of any kind..

they are slim fit, zipper fly, and are only made up to size 34...

They're the fastest selling jeans we've ever had at Self Edge.. we went through 18 pairs in three days.

We're getting in the 5100 on Friday, which is the 13.5 ounce special edition. cut is similar to a 3005...

My first ever WAYWT.

i never thought i'd do it..

Reiz Optics

Trovata Polo

Flat Head Jacket

Flat Head 3001

Vans Vault

oh, and to add to the cheesy-ness of the entire thing..

Tays and i are both wearing the same exact houndstooth Flat Head shirt.

gawd.

you won't believe it.

that photo of the four of us walking in the street..

sycamore, demitra, tays, and kiya (me)

sycamore, demitra, and i are all wearing the same exact jeans. Flat Heat 3001.

tays is wearing some light indigo Rag & Bones..

I'm a little confused.. what does this have to do with Imperial?

i've always been a big fan of Flat Head's forked tongue pocket design...

strange that if you take the tongue off you're left with an exact copy of the Levi's arcuate.

jarvis cocker?

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i absolutely fucking love Jarvis..

his new solo album is amazing, back to form for him..

http://spectaclesforhumans.blogspot.com/

go there..

they have the entire collection and i'm sure Dimitri would be more than happy to ship them out to you..

i bought a pair that he turned into sunglasses for me a couple of weeks ago, and Stuntastic (jan) bought a pair of Derome Brenner eyeglasses an hour ago.

unbelievable. seriously.

so it's on..

Tomorrow, Saturday, At Noon, At Spectacles for Humans.

mini SF Superfuture meet..

how cute.

i know of a few peeps going.

seeyou.

i've got a bit of an idea..

let's meet at Spectacles for Humans at noon..

coerce jan (stuntastic) into coming..

i think a bunch of SFers are already supposed to be in the city on Saturday..

then all take him out to lunch for his bday..

how cheesy is this?

i mean hell.. it'll be a mini superfuture meeting...