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Extremely hard to give advice like this but fwiw: I'd jump on this. I use mine FAR more than my P23A-DS. The Q has really grown on me and I do intend to pick up a second pair. Pockets are great, far more useful than A. Cut I think looks better on me than in most store pics, maybe because I'm 185 cm / 95-ish KG (6'1"/ 210 lb) and most models are far skinnier. If you have a lot of room in P10E then P23 might look ultra baggy on you. DS is my fav pants material of all time, something you'll find others agreeing on through the history of this thread (but of course no universal consensus). I am personally not a fan of E, I have P10-E which I can't really fit into due to thigh girth (also had to retire 3 pairs of P10-S for the same reason) and P24A-E which are fantastic pants but I'd much prefer DS (missed all opportunities to buy those, sadly).

With M looking absolutely painted onto Errolson, should I assume he’s bigger than ever or that us L folks should eye XL?

FC3? The hat? I don't own one but struggle to see how you'd attach that to the belt loop. And I don't see any scenario where I'd like these as swimming trunks; I'm sure the material works OK and the pockets should drain somewhat efficiently but it just seems like there ought to be 90000 better options ahead of these.

Spent a week in Sardinia with SP29K-M. Hot and humid. Also worn them elsewhere but figured scorching Mediterranean weather was the real test. They're... OK. Certainly as well ventilated as cargo shorts are likely to ever be, and despite being black I never felt they were warm or otherwise problematic. The length is certainly not too short; I'd feel weird wearing anything below my kneecaps in this kind of weather. But put anything heavy in the pocket and it peeks out through the leg opening which is... not a great look. The flimsy pocket material has held up well despite looking super fragile. Sharp keys etc have not messed anything up for me yet. The belt fly works, but offers no real advantage over a regular fly. The little loop to put the strap through is a bit stupid since it's hard to tighten through that loop (I feel like I'll tear it off?), so I end up taking the strap out, tightening, and then often leaving the strap hanging more in the front. Threading it back through the loop feels like letting a mediocre design dictate my behavior. The material is very easy to brush or wash off if you spill food or whatever, and remarkably they didn't pick up any smell over a full week of intense groin sweat. But not sure how it'd feel in longer pants, definitely feels like something primarily for shorts. Are they worth the cost? Unless you desperately need this exact pocket configuration, I think not. I don't really regret buying them but could live without them. Probably using my veilance stuff more for the rest of the summer, but keeping these in rotation.

Works really well on P23Q-DS in my opinion. It's better than the old 2017 P23A-DS, but even that version works quite well for me. I seem to recall a lot of the complaints are from S and XS dudes, so perhaps it relates to physical build somewhat?

I don't have the re-release of the non-Q but Q and original P23A-DS are the same length.

Worn like this, I agree. Looks to me like they're sitting too high up. I'm 5 cm shorter, granted, but they sit on my hips more than my waist and that looks like it could buy @thehumanreisberg the centimeters needed.