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I would say it's more grayish

They are pretty similar. The 714 has a slightly higher rise (really just 0.5-1 cm) and is more tapered.

The measurements look indeed a bit weird. If the rise would be lower and thus the waist wider I could understand that but right now the cut looks strange on paper.

Seems like the 224 started to drop https://www.rogues.co.jp/smartphone/detail.html?id=000000010908 In comparison to the 221 the rise seems to be the same. The thighs are slimmer but the leg opening wider. We will see. Edit: more size charts have been published. The 224 seem to have bigger thighs and a stronger taper than the 221. Also a lower rise.

Maybe this one will work better for you?! https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/g1115806727/

No, the older versions (at least Shins) are really slow faders. The Orizzonti pair is already worn so they won't qualify to be used.

The WW2 model?

This threw me off as well first but I think it's correct. @julian-wolf can confirm This is probably a correct one: https://antiquejohn.thebase.in/items/79730442

Mostly the price and the availability for a 17 year old model. And the leather patch looks a bit off

I didn't know that fakes are now called "Fashion Reps" and it seems to be a big thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/FashionReps/ Also saw some "repros" of the old Sugar Cane 1955 model... https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=736763744157

Not anymore, no

Agreed, looks stellar!

I registered my pair of Denime XX from the Shins era. We will see how disciplined I am...

A rare, non-indigo day. Denime - orSlow - Vans

In Germany that could be any day...

Yeah I have no idea if they have a deeper meaning. For old Denime XX (and 66XX) you had 1 or 2 letters and the number and they somehow resemble the batch when the jeans were made. That's why I said it would have been a nice touch to call all pairs made in 2023 "Lot.220A" and a new letter for each year. So you could date them as smarter persons than me can date old Denime jeans. Maybe they will do it but I doubt it. About the N510D I am as curious as you. I will certainly get a 224, in fact I have a pair reserved. I will probably take a W34 to be safe even if they run bigger and shrink less like the 221.

I get it but I think the shaft and heel has enough untouched area to show the scars and variations. And yeah, like I wrote at 250£ it was hard to pass them. And they are certainly more "rugged" then the Paul Sargent with the chiseled toe.

Too late Ordered them. For 250£ I couldn't really say no...

Thanks! I will update everything with a lot more pictures and highlight differences. Just need more time

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Denime made by Warehouse Stock picture Size 34x32 Raw measurements Waist: 35" Front rise: 13.5" Back rise: 17.75" Thighs: 13.25" Knee: 10" Leg opening: 9" Inseam: 35.25" The constructional thread is mainly orange throughout the jeans. Yellow thread is used on the inseam and the coin pocket. Back view Slanted belt loop, typical detail for Denime XX The back pockets are closer together (as the hips are straighter on these) Coin Pocket Widest coin pocket of all types and different sewing method applied (no triangles) Back pocket Biggest back pocket of all types, The red tab is smaller. Triangle stitch is there Leather patch Different and thicker leather is used, typical Denime way of stitching the leath patch is applied Fly construction Unlike older Denime are sewn at the bottom, here the stitching is almost parallel. V-stitch Quite thick chainstitch, the V-stitch is steep and ends before the button. Top button The buttons are more dull,the background of the lettering is plain Belt loops Slightly raised, orange thread. Similar to Orizzonti and Shins (bartack closer to Wego) Hidden rivet Hidden rivet is less rounded/dome shaped. Like an all rivets it reads WH instead of YH. Light grey bartack is used. Selvedge The selvedge thread is paler (maybe caused by washing). The selvedhe line is wider than Wego but still on the narrow side. Change of the twill direction is there. Front pockets No selvedge line but could be selvede. No print or stamp

Wego era (Original Line) Size 36x34 Raw measurements Waist: 35.8" Front rise: 12.25" Back rise: 16" Thighs: 14" Knee: 9.75" Leg opening: 8.75" Inseam: 33.75" The constructional thread is mainly orange throughout the jeans. Yellow thread is used on the inseam and the coin pocket. Back view Slanted belt loop, typical detail for Denime XX Coin pocket Back pocket The smallest back pockets of all models and this pair is a W36...Triangle stitch is there Leather patch Not attached like the other pairs Fly construction No double stitching anymore. Just orange thread used. V-stitch More obtuse angle, ending at the button. Waistband sewn completely with chainstitch tucked in Top button Same shiny material like Orizzonti. Belt loops Slightly raised, orange thread. Smalelr diestance between the stitching. Thinner bartack Hidden rivet The bartack is a very dark grey. Not black. Construction looks cleaner Selvedge The selvedge thread is quite fat and prominent, like Shins. Change of twill direction is there. Most narrow selvedge line of all models. Front pockets Selvedge. Printed with the Original Line stamp.

Shins era Size 34x36 One-wash measurements Waist: 34" Front rise: 12" Back rise: 15.75" Thighs: 13" Knee: 9.75" Leg opening: 8.75" Inseam: 36" The constructional thread is mainly orange throughout the jeans. But instead of yellow thread only for the inseam and the coin pocket, the fly is also constructed using yellow thread. Back view Slanted belt loop, typical detail for Denime XX Coin pocket Back pocket Smaller but longer than Orizzonti. Triangle stitch is there Leather patch Fly construction No double stitching anymore, yellow thread is used as well V-stitch Is carried out steeper, ending before the button. Waistband sewn completely with chainstitch and even with a run-off. Top button Same shiny material like Orizzonti. My pair is a bit aged... Belt loops Slightly raised, orange thread. Very similar to Orizzonti, bartack looks a bit thicker and does not go over the edge Hidden rivet The bartack is a very dark grey. Not black. Construction looks cleaner Selvedge The selvedge thread is quite fat and prominent. Change of twill direction is there Front pockets Selvedge. Printed with 492x41.

Orizzonti era Size 34x36 Raw measurements Waist: 35" Front rise: 12.25" Back rise: 16" Thighs: 13.125" Knee: 9.75" Leg opening: 8.75" Inseam: 35" The constructional thread is mainly orange throughout the jeans. Yellow thread is used on the inseam and the coin pocket. Back view Slanted belt loop, typical detail for Denime XX Coin Pocket Back pocket Wider and shorter than Shins. Triangle stitch is missing on my pair. Leather patch Fly construction Typical for Orrizonti is the double stitching at the bottom of the fly V-stitch Ending at the button. Waistband is not completey sewn with chainstitch Top button Shiny material Belt loops Slightly raised, orange thread Hidden rivet Discoloured on my pair. Black bartack is used. Selvedge The selvedge thread is rather thin. Change of the twill direction is there. Front pockets No selvedge (although I think I saw pairs with selvedge cloth). Printed with 492x41

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