mouko

super geek moment..

I was part of a combo video group back in hs/early college (xerocrew. Me, Ricky Ortiz and Kim Hahn) that found this glitch in cvs2. we made a video. I also went to japan with team usa during the first usa vs japan tourney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UeV928W20M

also we were really into a3

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super geek moment..

I was part of a combo video group back in hs/early college (xerocrew. Me, Ricky Ortiz and Kim Hahn) that found this glitch in cvs2. we made a video. I also went to japan with team usa during the first usa vs japan tourney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UeV928W20M

also we were really into a3

kxWm5b1Hsj4

http://www.todarrinhudson.com/

Jeff Staple for sure

Not that I know of.. I would sign up on the forums on 2dfighter.com and ask them..

All im sure about is that it works fine on PC.. But it's worth it if you do get it since it has like every arcade game from alpha 2, 3 , turbo etc

doesn't seem to work since the files you need require windows. But I'm gonna bust out the old pc and hit you up sometime.

if you wanted to have a thread about classical music (whatever that is) you should probably try to find someone who actually knows something about it.

look at a BAM calendar someday and you'll see all the music / fashion / dance / art fusion permutations you could think of (or be lazy and follow this link: http://www.bam.org/viewdocument.aspx?did=824). this stuff has been going on since the 60s

i suspect when you say "classical music" you're talking about the established western canon from baroque to early 20th century (or music in this tradition). the problem with growing an audience for this is that by and large it requires listeners to spend time gaining appreciation for the various structures and rules associated with it.

there's plenty of composers working from a whole different book broken out by the post-serialists that are doing exactly what coalessence is suggesting. look up osvaldo golijov's ayre for instance.

Funny, I just saw steve reich the other week here in new york for the first time. I think the most interesting part is that I was with a bunch of critics and groups and I was discussing my experience (first experience) listening to minimalist music.

My question is why is classical music stuck with the idea that you need to learn and dedicate time to understand its rules and structures and not just outright enjoy it? I'm asking this honestly as a person that never listened to classical music or that style of music before. To me I feel it should be automatic like any other form of music, the nuances and delving deeper into techniques and structures should come after (and in my opinion are completely optional)

I think this is the type of thinking/image of classical music that becomes a turn off.

mouko, i was thinking about this topic and i would also like to see classical music introduced to a newer audience. i love fashion and enjoy classical music as well, and i think it would be cool if performers wore more fashionable (but still appropriate) attire to the concerts. It's an interesting effort, but what i question is the effectiveness of that strategy, considering how it would be marketed and how big of a target audience that would attract.

I agree that it would be great if classical music were to be promoted differently and introduced to a new listeners. so i was thinking, how about making this thread into a "Classical Music Saved My Life" topic? sufu members could post their favorite classical pieces, and maybe mention why they like particular pieces and what feelings they get from the songs. that way, other sufu members who haven't heard the music would be introduced to it and the music would be given a chance to be heard by new listeners.

in a way, it is one approach for moving towards the objective of allowing the music to be heard by new listeners, one community at a time. just a thought!

I think the most interesting thing about this discussion is the comments I've recieved on my blog as well as greg sandow (I recommend you reading it. He's a teacher at julliard and classical music critic whos a fan of project runway and wants to do away with formal wear..http://www.artsjournal.com/sandow/)

Musicians are basically pissed at me (I've gotten some really hateful comments that I had to delete). The most interersting argument is that it shouldn't be about the clothes, but about the music. But I find this argument a little interesting because if it were truly about the music, why is there a desire to keep formalwear to gain respect and resist a change of clothes?

I think the hardest thing for people to grasp and me as well is that I'm looking at this completely from a rebranding perspective. I can't really predict if the idea of an aesthetic change will make a difference but like any business plan it can't be worse that doing nothing.

I was also thinking about what you were saying the other day about people just not liking how it sounds. I found this interesting because I noticed with a lot of my friends they will comment on how good a movie score is, yet not realize that that is essentially the same structure of classical music. I have to admit that I am completely this way too, I mean I don't actively listen to classical music but I bump There will be blood soundtrack and shit from Ang Lee movies without thinking.

Going by shows purely that I can watch over and over again and not get sick of...

1. The office

2. Sex and the City

3. Family Guy

4. Arrested Development

5. Saved by the Bell (all seasons baby including new class)

"Oh my god is that a black card?/I turned around and replied why yes but I prefer the term african american express" - Kanye

I challenge you to 3rd strike... If you use 2dfighter holla at me:cool:

I've never heard of that..but that looks pretty awesome. I'll have to hit you up after I get a controller for the comp though. I also play super turbo' date=' alpha 2 and alpha 3 if you're down.

[b']Edit[/b] doesn't seem like it works on macs. can't find any info. Does it?

SF3: 3rd Strike..though only when I'm playing someone that knows how to play.

Favorite single player game..that's tougher..but I can't remember spending more time on any other game alone than Secret of Mana. Though I'm still bothered that I never finished it.

this shows that no matter what you do to attract new listeners, if they do not like the fundamentals of the music, they will not stay.

anyway, Muoko, i'm no classical expert either, but i thought we were talking about a genre of music that is based on tradition, not an acrobatics show or the ipod. well then, since you are so fixed on your viewpoint, good luck saving the world of classical music with your girl friend

The argument is that tradition is the downfall of classical music and that since you can't change the structure of classical music musically itself (because it becomes something else), the only solution left is how its aesthetically presented. I.E. change the clothes/visuals/design of the presentation.

I think you missed why I brought up CDS, apple and the wii. It's about creating new markets where none exist to expand. Its not about the content of these examples per se, but their business strategy as a theory. I think its something that can be applied to classical music.

probably not, because different people learn to like classical at different ages, for different reasons, but most those reasons revolve around the music (the sounds and feelings) and sometimes the history, not because of what the musicians are wearing.

i think i understand what you're getting at though, your idea to change the fashion in order to change the "image" of classical music, which you think could attract new listeners. because you think the clothes musicians wear now may turn some listeners away, correct? But people will either like the music if it suits their tastes, and not like it if they aren't feeling it.

From what I understand (and I'm by no means an avid classical music listener) is that the old listeners are 'dying off' faster than new listeners. And the problem that many classical music critics say is the image of classical music not bein relatable and current. It's not just with the dress, but the way its presented in general. Simply waiting for new listeners isn't addressing the problem directly, but assuming (dangerously) that the problem will fix itself.

it all comes down to the music. if they arent feelin the music, a wardrobe change wont change the fact that they aren't feeling the music. if they like the music but dislike the formal wear worn by the musicians at concerts, thats not going to stop them from appreciating the music.

I have to disagree with you here. When you look at examples of companies that have rebranded itself to get new customers, you see that essentially the product/service remains the same, but how it's presented and the message it wants to protray has been redesigned. Target's distancing themselves from being a k-mart clone, apple and nintendo Wii stripping electronics of excess to make products more intuitive and accessible, Cirque Du Soleils aesthetic reimagining of opera and ballet. I think this is where classical music should follow suit (no pun intended )

I don't think this would get Classical music any mainstream attention whatsoever. You would probably just create postmodern (not, but for the lack of a better word) Classical music performances that would appeal to those who are into those types of visuals, and maybe also those who are into Classical music, but just on the musical merit.

I think the idea IS to create that type of performances, away from the standard types of performances to attract new listeners. Changing the visuals (I focused on the fashion aspect, but I do feel the venues and format of concerts should be restructured too)

It's not getting into the mainstream in the sense of sitting side by side with pop music, but broadening the listeners that haven't been interested in classical music by rebranding its image. (from a high society/elitist music genre to something appealing to the non traditional listeners).

In my new blog post I talk about what classical music can learn from the nintendo wiis business model, which I came to find out is the same as Cirque Du Soleil (something that I think might be more relatable to the subject). CDS rebranded opera and ballet by changing the format it was presented, reaching non-opera and ballet fans as well as those that were already interested. The Wii targeted non-gamers by stripping the idea of video gaming being niche, complicated and only for hardcore gamers.

I think there is something here that classical music can learn and use

I figured there might be some classical music listeners here (and maybe some that have no interest in it, which is good) because I wanted to see what everyones opinion is on this subject.

My girlfriend is a classical musician who's been spearheading a project that merges classical music with fashion, with the ultimate goal of changing the way people view classical music and attract new listeners.

Being a fashion designer myself and a non-classical music listener has given me an outside perspective on things. The idea really peaked my interest when I started reading a blog by Greg Sandow, a teacher at julliard and a classical music critic and a project runway/fashion fan that wants to do away with formal wear in the genre. (read more here: http://www.artsjournal.com/sandow/)

http://therapysessions.livejournal.com/229577.html

I recently made a post on my blog about my thoughts: to sum it up. I completely agree with Greg on this matter. That classical musicians need to strip its aristocratic image and be restyled to be more current and assimilate into pop culture. And I've been getting a mixed bag of responses.

What I like about this subject is that I feel it shows the importance of aesthetics, even in something that is primarily about listening. I was wondering what everyones thoughts on this subject is, not only with classical music but anything else that has been retooled or needs retooling aesthetically. Would a change of wardrobe (and most likely venues) revive classical music?

And I know this is the complete fashion side of me speaking, but I'd be way more interested in seeing a performer wearing some margiela or commes..I've been pressuring my gf to get those margiela glasses, but then she'd probably need some sort of backlit sheet music

Still got:

black fedora: 60

gray fedora: 100

undercover: 50

drk shdw: 80

Leon: 325

Helmut Coat: 275

What is the name of this jacket?

arctic bomber

someone please tell me how the fit and sizing for the rubberized bomber is!

The coat is actually coated with polyurethane, I would say the fit is normal. I'm normally at 48 in geller and it wasn't tight, enough to layer a sweater or something underneath if you buy your regular size. One weird tidbit, the long version of the coat is exactly the same price as the shorter version.

I dont see why. Its a very elaborately constructed piece in high quality leather. The price shouldnt be much different from one of his leather jackets.

I actually think the retail price is 1100.00, at least that's what is listed on blackbird's blog and yeah its pretty elaborate. It's actually longer than what the photos look like because the upper flap stretches out so you can pack a lot more in (it's modeled after mountaineer bags). The straps and laces are all leather.

looks a lot like older balenciaga.

http://designcanteen.com/rgfw08.2.jpg Where can I find that big cardigan?

I believe Woodley and Bunny in New York is one of the few stores that ordered it, and word is they gotten a ton of calls about them. If I were you I'd run through the stockist and call stores.

No, you're right that it does give good information about how to do zippers, buttons, collars and hems. But i was looking for a book to teach me how to sew together a shirt, pants, button ups and things like that.

To clarify,

Metric Cutting-good for learning how to cut fabrics

Readers Digest: Complete Guide to Sewing: good for buttons, hems, (finishing touches)

but i'm still looking for a book to teach me how to construct these patterns together.

sorry if i came off offensive but I'm pretty desperate for a book to help me piece these patterns together, as my FIT portfolio deadline is coming to a close in about a month. times ticking and i could really use some help.

My advice is to stop stressing. FIT and Parsons (yes parsons) are both easy to get into.

As for putting patterns together, you really just have to understand the language of patterns. I would suggest buying a very simple pattern (like for a simple skirt or a basic shirt from Vogue patterns) and watch this video (and other videos)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLPqM2KZsuk

to thomas_highstreet

Totally fucking agree. cm >>>>> inches

personally it didn't help me much construction wise. or maybe i just need a sewing/pattern making class because some of these books just aren't getting through to me. who knows.

Are you looking for info on how to make specific clothes? Because really the RD book is a reference book. It's the book you pull out when you forget how to make a dart, or how to do sew a button or put in a zipper, attach lining. I think you're looking for a different book if you're looking for how to construct a dress shirt, RD is just for the parts.

I just had to come to its defense because it's pretty much sewing gold, I don't want anyone to pass it up.

was this shot in the same venue as geller s/s 07?

looks like it. I remember the huge doors

Like I've always said about Ervell, to me it feels like he's bordering somewhere between Jil Sander and dangerously looking like Uniqlo. I personally have never been 100% impressed with his fabrication (which is what makes Jil Sander's minimalism work). But it's very hard to stand out, especially as an american menswear designer, when you basically possess the same american menswear sillouhette as nearly every other menswear designer. As well as using almost the same color pallette as them.