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SJ mind posting some pics?

At first all I really wanted was a pair of fh in the rjb denim but I now realize that I'll also probably never fit into rjb's cuts, so I like the idea of having an rjb denim with the fh cut. 

I really do like the jolly roger stitching on the back pocket, and the tab on the coin pocket as well. Maybe the tag can be branded with Signet or Sufu or something like that. The only thing about rjb is that I don't really like the patch; I'd much rather have one that fh uses rather than the black ones on normal rjb.

Beyond what's realistic at this point?

Honestly, having a custom fabric is just really a bonus at this point to me. The stock fabric should be plenty good already pretty nice but if we can get it to the point of getting a custom fabric that would be great.

How many people would it take for a custom fabric?

I guess what throws most people off (including me) about the diamonds is that it's just so noticeable and over the top, which doesn't really go well with the kinds of styles people are going for. I also don't know if the design of the diamonds was based off something, but it's also because traditional arcuates are actually based off of the stitching historically present on a lot of jeans. So it doesn't look as off to people not only who are knowledgeable about denim, but even to people who would just see a pair of jeans with over the top diamonds from their perspective.

I have the feeling that this would probably go the same way as the FCxSignet collab with us getting the 3005 and 3009 cuts through preorders. 

By the way Ben, do you feel like the thighs and top blocks of both cuts are similar? I'm probably going with the 3005 cut but I just wanted to make sure and ask from someone who has the experience with both cuts.

I'm in!

Judging from how this thread has been going, I'm going to be in 100%.

Super stoked for this. Any idea for when this is going to happen? 1 year? 2 years?

I'd probably like the 3005 but the 3009 is fine as well.

I'd love to join a TFH contest as well. 1 or 2 years time would be great timing for a new pair.

i really embrace that statement, its way more eloquent than my post.

 

i am no expert, and i will not judge anyone.

 

my perspective on that matter relies wholly on what i have read on various blogs, sites, etc. about native american symbols in fashion, sports, etc. - and the consensus is, using any NA symbol without being a NA is racism and exploitation/abuse. easy as that. and especially because this feather head is holy to them, we have no right to wear it, especially not as part of something worthless as fashion.

 

i try to find some useful blogs or info on that matter. as i feel this is important and i am not suited of being an advocat on that matter:

 

http://mycultureisnotatrend.tumblr.com/

 

https://www.facebook.com/nativeappropriations

 

http://apihtawikosisan.com/hall-of-shame/an-open-letter-to-non-natives-in-headdresses/

 

http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Native-American-Influences-In-Fashion.htm

 

http://nativeappropriations.com/

 

 

that is just what i found in 5 minutes, there is a whole lot more out there.

I agree with all the Native American symbols that are sacred to their culture and not to be used lightly. However, I think the line that I'm afraid that comes with liking the culture is the possibility of stereotyping that comes with it. Being Asian, it gets tiresome having to deal with people just assuming certain things based on your race. That's why it makes me wonder if just placing Native American faces with headdresses are actually tasteful and trying to celebrate a culture instead of making it a one-dimensional caricature that we use to sell things. It's why it makes me a bit iffy about buying Japanese made stuff that have a lot of Native American elements to it, without actually having anyone Native American to look on it and provide some perspective on whether or not it's right.

It also goes into jewelry and how there are a lot of Native American inspired jewelry which is a big thing among the Japanese market, made by Japanese people, which I'm not completely sure that's okay. It is nice seeing Self Edge's jewelry being made by people who actually have lived and participated in the culture. Then again, I'm also not one to judge because I really don't know much. It would be nice if someone was actually knowledgable or Native American and could actually provide some perspective on this.

I think if you read enough about anything on the internet you can find posts that describe something as insensitive, yes don't wear headdresses, but it's a simple (unfortunate?) fact that America is an amalgam of cultures and therefore things are adopted into common society that are devoid of their original meaning/use.

Ive also noticed it seems Europeans are more sensitive to these issues than Americans...

I don't think that it's because America is an amalgam of cultures but generally because of ignorance and apathy that people just decide to use these important symbols without respect for the original context. Which might be a result of the shallow culture that not only America has but also most of the world. 

I hope I'm not derailing the SDA thread too much.

Generally the same as 3009?

This is also why I feel like it's difficult for me to really buy into items that have Native American imagery on it because even if we may think that it's not really that offensive, coming from a position of privilege, we can't really say if they should be offended or not. I really wish I knew where to read more about the Native American products that are offered by Japanese companies and whether or not we're crossing the line on cultural appropriation when we do so. 

Obviously wearing a Native American headdress is not a good thing. But is it fine to buy tees with these Native American prints on them? I also think this is the problem when taking from the past because of the general insensitivity and ignorance of the past. Just like with the Mister Freedom Saigon Cowboy, there are some things that are present in the past that generally isn't appropriate for wear today. What we need to do is to be able to discern between the two.

How's the Resolute 710 fit with respect to Flat Head's 3009? Slimmer thighs? Is 710 the biggest cut?

Yeah I just see Ed posting that a lot in some of the threads here. 

So what specifically about RMC's quality has changed (or degraded) over the years? Curious to find out what products (if not all) have been affected and if anyone knows why.