DhaDha

damn, beautiful pair. too bad the cut isn't for me. here's hoping he does these again in slimmer cut. 

Going to Pronto would be like dying and going to denim heaven, no?

only if you have dough to spend. otherwise it's more like hell. 

hey i think so yes, wanna grab a pint?

 

I'll ping you a PM a day or so before!

 

sounds good man. maybe we could do a bangkok meet up, if there are enough people here. 

just gave my OSB a clean and polish. thought i'd post a pic here. they have been worn close to two years.

as far as built is concerned, they are not built like a true work boot a la White's, Wesco. More like Alden. My pair have questionable stitching but they seem to be holding up just fine.

123 days now. giving them a soak today before going off to get the fly and back pocket stitched up. the threads are starting to break in places, although nothing that affect them structurally yet. 

each time i walk around in bangkok there're always a bunch of people wearing selvedge, and i'm not talking about knock-off selvedge levi's they sell here for 10 buck, but japanese selvedge. we have take5, countless pronto branches, and countless other raw denim boutique. so yes, at least here in SEAsia raw denim is really in-trend. 

 

I'd be interested to know how many people go from "starter" pairs to fully immerse themselves in denim.  I know for me I've always had an odd obsession with denim.  Whenever I had to wear khakis it felt wrong and off.  Obviously back then I was a broke kid so my fetish was satisfied by junk Levi's but my love for denim is not something spawned out of internet message boards.  It is in my DNA and raw denim was a pretty logical progression for me.  I wonder how many people force themselves into raw denim simply because it is trendy at the moment.

it's a war of attrition man. i've loved raw denim before i could afford a pair, more than 10 years ago. see who sticks around in 10 years time. i bet reddit won't be there. 

DhaDha you going to be at the pronto carnival this year?

 

hey i think so yes, wanna grab a pint?

starter pairs are a fallacy if you buy into unbranded. why would you do that? why would you pay for something that were designed to have shorter life to begin with when you could save a bit more and get more than twice the useful value (more indigo retention)? especially now that you can get a pair of unsanforized 22oz jawnz from indonesia for 160usd shipped? 

and please stop it with 'dyed lighter', wtf does that even mean you know? it means that make their material cheaper for cost/profit purpose and thats why they could afford to sell inferior product on the market for the price they're charging. if u in the game long enough to want to try heavy weight denim, then you should know your shit. if you don't, your loss, just stay with inherently inferior product, 

yawn. i dont always agree with ed, but he's right, can we stop talking about ubranded?

they fade too fast and always, with every pairs ever seen, look washed out. they are not very well dyed at all. their 14.5oz is way better. 

man i might be interested if the timing is right. is there deadline?

Kiya could you let us in more on the detail? what's the styling like? classic 5 pockets jeans? i've been waiting for a pair of Roy duck since last drop i missed. serious copping this time if they are 5 pocket or chino-style. 

i hope you get your jeans back max. would suck if they gone missing after 4 months of competition. 

that is rather strange unders, my 47 from i think 2009/10 season has grainy, embossed patch. my '33 from 2009 on the other hand has rather plasticky, thinner and just printed on patch. 

that is what i was asking on another thread, denim blunder and etc., as to why people hate on LVC. i get it, the answers were reasonable and most people were just disappointed rather than anything with the direction the brand seems to be heading in the recent years. I still think they produce some good quality stuff. not in the same league with our most exalted japanese or some american/european brands but above average still. even my 47 fades really well and held up as well as my other japanese/american jeans. i don't know about their other garments (jacket, belt, ts, etc) but the jeans, on discount, are good buys, and Cone's STF denims for LVC are still second to none in my book. 

if i remember correctly it's back rise. their measurement is rather accurate, BiG style, from the 3 pairs of red cloud i bought off them. 

1966 on discount. 32 and 33 left. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LVC-Levis-Vintage-Clothing-1966-501-Jeans-Rigid-Made-USA-RRP-215-/370937588726?var=&hash=item950ce5b240

Well the $300-400 Japanese denim in Japan costs about $250 max.

man those sammy aren't even soaked. 

With pleated front? Damn sir, there's the bee's knee right there.

i never have to fight for well defined crease and combs, so i never ever felt the need, assuming that's why people restarch their jeans. 

white T is the hallmark of civilisation 

my impression has always been that RRL/LVC target a very different group than FH/IH/etc. The way I see them is really the americana cosplaying offshoot of the mainstream menswear world, not the details and quality orientated niche of Sufu-like crowd. these are the people who are buying brands like engineer garment, namamica, visvim, etc. and as such the made in usa isn't that big of a deal (after all RRL is still doing quite well).

i agree that, going back to the old discussion here on sufu, LVC started off with a noble if lofty goal, and over time their production and outlook degraded, which is a shame. But i don't think they would have survived otherwise. after all you just cannot dissociate LVC, a supposedly high end brand, with levi's, a mall brand. there's just too much overlapping in brand image to make LVC a truly high-end brand, image wise, and that bled into the overall quality and production of the garments. now, as for the price, nobody ever consistently pay full prices for seasonal stuff anyway (well, after they made a few painful and expensive Suggested Retail Price purchase). on discount, the price/quality ratio is quite decent. 

after all is said and done, i went back to my 1947 today, and that warmed my heart a little you know. somehow they still have the soul (albeit mangled out of shape) of the blue jeans that changed the world. i still want them all, the '44 '66 '55 '37 and the rest of them, with the right arc and tab and patch, although probably not at full retail price haha. 

Another thing I've been thinking is that if I had to recommend anything to anyone, I'd say hands down that high quality denim, t-shirts, and a leather belt/wallet are the best investment and give you the most bang for your buck. Whose with me? I think no matter what I will always have those things.

 

T shirts were added since I bought a 20 buck t shirt from this random place and it got a huge hole in the sleeve after I wore it a few times...

I agree with denim, leather stuff and footwear, but i don't really feel T-shirt costing $90-200. yes they are better made in every which ways and feel hella nice, but i don't see their value proposition over, say, Uniqlo supima T costing $12 at most. Maybe it's because my wardrobe is far from complete, and right now a luxurious T shirt is not on my to-buy list yet though. 

Respectfully, anyone who pays full retail price for LVC probably has too much money on their hands.

ouch. out of the two LVC pairs i have, the '33 were bought full price, since i didn't know better, and the '47 were bought at 40% off, but then i got hit with 40% custom duty (again, didn't yet know any better), they were as good as full price. lesson learned. 

while we are on the topic of LVC, why so much hate? places like stylecreep.com (amateur and professional on eBay) got them pretty much discounted all year round. while their quality isn't top notch like flat head, iron heart, etc. etc. i am also under the impression that they are never meant to be. levi's of old was never a high end company, making clothes for people with garment fetish (let's face it thats what we are). while companies like WH can get away with denim changing from lot to lot, LVC get a lot of shit for the same shortcoming (character?). i heard Paul T asks this question somewhere sometime ago, which is more accurate, LVC whose products show as much variation in denim, details as the original, or japanese repro, whose replication of a few selected original garments are refined to the nth degree?

gotta love the pre-lawsuit denim landscape.

beautiful pairs you guys!