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I've a feeling that Outlier hit the point where the brand's basic concept worked but the business was heading in a direction that wasn't that interesting to the founders. I'm sure the new product a week, or what ever it is, drops and sourcing new fabrics is way more interesting than figuring out how to sell the same pair of pants made from Scholler dryskin day in and day out. I kind of like the weirdness of their experiments, but like many things, that sentiment likely won't lead to my financial support.

Fabric care instructions are there to provide guidance for the proper and safe care of garments . There's allot of laminations and taping in the garments and many fabrics , but not the two styles you mention, are laminates themselves. This means they use adhesive glue in their creation. Glue will become weaker as it reaches the melting point. Adding agitation in a dryer at the same point- is not a great idea. As well, some fabrics can shrink and deform with high enough heat or have their face damaged while being tossed around in a dryer under high heat when they come in contact with other materials.

Good logo changes are part of a clear re-positioning of a brands focus. Bad ones are empty moves to "freshen things up".

TNF in Japan has always seemed so solid - and separate form the rest of the world... well other than HK. I think the new Creative director for the TNF's main brand work should start to be seen more and more. He's been there for a year so influence probably slowly showing up. Balancing the legacy of TNF, in street wear and in the outdoors, while adding something fresh seems like a challenge. His previous work could certainly leans more to the fashion-forward side of things. Mix that with the TNF outdoor legacy and there might be some interesting pieces coming through to those of us outside Japan. That's if he's given the "OK" from the money folks to move beyond milking their their classics like the Nuptse. I think there's a good chance we'll see some interesting things come from TNF if the CD stays on.

I think part of that aesthetic impression, for me, is that they have focused on a single product drops. They aren't dropping a collection or capsule. So it's been kind of piecemeal. I can certainly understand the view you've got that designs are looking derivative. It's kind of hard to reinvent the shirt or a pant, but designers do make things fresh inside these constraints. Might not be a concern for them if they're putting fabric choices on top. I'm interest in what they are doing, but also something that's a bit off... maybe it's just not for me. I love that they're pulling in intetesting fabrics into designs but I'm left wondering, is there one single designer who's been behind all the designs or is this more the result of outsourcing product design and development that handled by a creative director? I can't tell. But does that matter? I guess it's working for them. They've sold that initial run of the pant at , to my eyes, a very premium price for a non-fashion brand and people are thinking and talking about them. Success for a brand is finding enough people who are willing to pay for pieces at a prices that allows you to move forward and grow. They seem to be doing that and outside the norms of regular clothing categories and distribution. Looks like they've found their dudes. I'm likely not one of them.

If your body chemistry is tough on the polymers that are used to laminate the layers in Gore's fabric it's likely going to be a challenge to other laminated fabrics technologies as well. ETA proof or Ventile isn't laminated. Might be a good option. A fabric based on a monolithic membrane might function longer for you as body oils shouldn't be able to get through the membrane. That's just theoretical though. Sweat still could get into the backing fabric and might pull away. Regardless of the type of fabric of the shell, knowing you've not had good luck in the past, you'll want to ensure that you increase your cadence of washing and rinsing of your shells. I don't think anyone washes their technical shells nearly as often as what might be necessary to get body oils out. My view is that clothes are consumables. Care can help extend the life of a garment but won't preserve them forever. It sucks when it's an interesting piece starts to go, but better to have loved a piece to death than leave it stuck on a rack as a museum piece. It just kind of sucks that if a shell gains appreciable character overtime the performance declines as well. Boro style and a wabi sabi view seem to be a bit hard with synthetics and techwear. Might just be an attitude. Be interesting to see the newer ACR pieces with raw edges develop over time. Anyone have any interesting wear develop on those yet?

The issue is oil contamination... I'd ensure that as much of that is removed from the jacket as possible before anything. Next is to determine if the delam is only on the inside of the jacket or if the oil has helped breakdown the laminate between the face and the membrane. Gently pinch the face fabric on the opposite side. If it's only on the inside it is possible to use a spray on adhesive or other glues to get the backer to stick to the membrane again. The adhesives will need to be able to flow through the backing fabric so it will stick. Gear-aid is a pressure sensitive and would likely only stick to the backer that's already pulled away. If the face is leaking you'd get a little wet pocket that could help delam the spot more as it may not dry well. Pulling the back panel out and rebuilding the jacket would be the best, but check the other areas of sweat and oil buildup ie: underarms to see if that might be an issue as well. Not sure who would take on the job of a rebuild other than rainy pass and the factory who built the piece in the first place not going to be many options.

Doesn't look like Beyond ventured out much design wise. Using mystery fabrics and possibly offshoring production has let them drop their prices a bit. Would be nice to know some specs on the garments. Some of their original line was a getting up there in price but not crazy. I'd say the one women's piece is a miss with the fur collar. Comes across as trying too hard to girly up a design. Seems out of place on a soft-shell. From a technically focused brand to make that their first move into the women's market seems off.