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Lol. I have a paper copy of that guide Paul, and his wonky leg always freaks me out! In the back shot, his left leg looks crooked, so it must be some funny angle with the pics. I wonder if they let him keep all those pairs...

He accepts PayPal, so no real difference w/ PayPal credit afaik...

Thanks, kicks! Where did you get the pics?

Just got my latest White Oak stockpiler from Cultizm, a ‘55 rigid, which brings me full circle. My first LVCs were a rinsed ‘55 from 2005 that the one knowledgeable salesman at the SF flagship dug out from a sale pile (there was literally no other selvage in store at that time, hard as that is to believe). They were, and are still, a marvel. A 501, but with beautiful, subtle differences that set it it apart. That put me down the rabbit hole and I have since spent way too much time and money on LVC and denim. Have to say though, the LVCs this year and last resemble each other more than their analogues from previous years. The 2019 55s have totally different details, even basic selvedge line and thread color, from the 2005 version. The 2009 47s, which are still my fave (Paul T’s admonishment of the denim notwithstanding), look nothing like the 2018’s. Pockets have doubled in size and threads again are totally different colors. TBH, in raw form, the current slate of 20th century rigid models look very similar to each other -from rivets, thread color, pocket size, patches, to even the basic cast of the denim- aside from the macro cut variations and major defining details of the those model years. It’s a far cry from years past, for certain. The MiUSA 501 is basically an amalgam of all recent decades but with raised belt loops and better stitching. I’ll miss the old bird after they run out of Cone, but LVC needs to add some value to their premier value-added denim line before I would buy again... That said, I also don’t need to! Thanks to the board for the heads up on the 40% off sale. I hadn’t checked my email yet, and was able to get ‘back-ups’ for the last few pairs I already own, including the 1890, ‘37, and ‘47. I’m swimming in denim right now and it’s no stretch to say I probably have enough for the next 20 years! Interested to hear others’ thoughts on year-to year variations. In the past, I had mostly sampled one new model or so a year, so maybe it’s always been the case that LVCs in a particular collection share similar characteristics. Getting my shipment on Mon, so will post photos and comparisons then...

They just looked exactly like mine, which was my second LVC raw, and though the denim of that model is no favorite of the board, it’s one of my personal favorite pairs. Have been looking for another in 36w, so if you’re looking to turn them around, let me know!

What year are those, Lance -2009?

It’s getting a little cold, but can tough it out. Putting the phone on the sink so it doesn’t accidentally fall in. My fam thinks it’s strange, but jokes on them when I’m wearing perfectly-fitted denim all through Thanksgiving Day and they’re in saggy mall jeans. Should dry fast in the kitchen from the oven heat...

It’s all in the tubes...and irl denim spies.

What we know so far: Roy’s blackseed Cone is the Goldilocks of denim: shrinks excessively, hardly at all, or somewhere in between. I’m going to jump on the grenade and gamble. Wish me luck. Will shrink them in the tub overnight, but while wearing them...with a scuba mask on so I don’t drown while sleeping. Wish me luck, I’m willing them to the moderator in case things go awry.

Cone has long had most of its production abroad, notably in China and Mexico. The White Oak denim has a cachet though, being ‘Made in USA’ and in their historic confines, so especially on something like a premium STF, they advertise that. On modern LVC selvedge models, it had just been ‘understood’ they were White Oak w/o sewn-on tags to detract from the vintage vibe, but generally noted in the hang tags...

That is to say, with White Oak tags, even. Pretty sure LVC wouldn’t have even had time to have resource the denim to other mills for current production. This is for rigid though, the one-rinse and ‘aged’ models have been made in Turkey for a few years now, though I would imagine even that denim is White Oak, just washed and finished overseas for lower labor costs...

I would be surprised if this year’s LVC is anything but US-made Cone. The online details are notoriously unreliable. I’ve been stocking up on my faves since the announcement last Nov, and all 2018s have been MIUSA. I ordered from this sale as soon as I read the 40% off was available (thanks LVC board!) knowing they run out of popular sizes quickly. Levi’s has free returns afai remember, so shoot first, ask questions later...

What has been your overall waist and inseam shrink before stretch, UkeNo?

Competing wisdom, that’s what I’ve been mulling over, lol! I’ve broken in a ton of raw denim, and while rare is the pair that fits initially that you can’t get back to initial waist size after soaking, washing and drying can definitely make that happen - and loomstate denims are more unpredictable in either case. Julian, did you machine dry?

First time poster here, longtime on the LVC thread and catching up here. Lucky enough to nab a pair of the R01 test lot in 36, still raw and fits perfect in waist, with at least a half inch of give and about 3” extra on inseam (35”). Having read a range of shrinkage stats on these and recent similar cuts, want to tap collective knowledge here on Roys and the black seed denim, as to whether I’m good or going to cut off blood supply to lower extremities if I soak/rinse. Should I: soak and stretch soak and dry while wearing give up and pass on to someone here who knows better. They’re perfect jeans, don’t want to screw up my first pair of Roys, or leRoys as it were. Thank you!!