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Gave my three-pleat a hand wash last week as the weather was sunny.
It's been interesting wearing this alongside, for instance, the TCB 20s - although they're 40 years apart in Levi's terms the fabric isn't that different. I love the shading on the TCB, as in the range of colours. I've also been wearing some Levi's Lot 1 with Nihon Menpu fabric. I think the Cone 1880s fabric, in terms of texture, is so far ahead it's unreal. Much much more subtle, rather than pronounced bumps and slubs there are myriad small variations in the fabric.I prefer the dye job on the TCB in terms of looks, as I like high contrast, but I think we'll look back on this era of Cone fabrics as being pretty unique
. It's certainly much better than the Kurabo fabric replicating the same era - I am not sure if the pre-20s fabric for current LVC is from Kaihara, i'd be very interested to see their interpretation of the same fabric.
All these shots are a bit pale, my Fuji X100 doesn't seem to get denim colours right, unlike my wife's sony RX (which I, um, dropped and killed).Finally, here's the 1880s natural indigo with a proper camera. Very dense and scrunchy with lots of fluff. They're about a shade darker in real life with more of a red-purple hue.
As you can see, the busted seam is very close to my knee, then swings round to line up with my laces at the bottom. the most leg-twist I've had from a first wash, ever.16 -
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Honestly, let's not go there. If anyone's bothered they can make their own stencil. If the design looks vageuly levi's ish, they might hassle Inoue-San, and the people who own Evisu are absolute arseholes and there's a chance of them weighing in, too. Better to spend out energy on a nice leather patch and some groovy cotton ticking for the pockets.
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They've got the most extreme leg twist of any jeans I've owned. Sitting down now to drink my coffee the selvage is past the front line of the jeans, ie more than 45 degrees. Same with the shrinkae on length and waist, way more than the Roys.
Colour's a good bit darker than this photo, which doesn't show the really extreme crinkling and little bumps, way more than anything I've seen (although these days I tend to put thru wash rather than soak). Being a slimmer fit they're maybe not as good summer jeans as the 1890s and their predecessors, the 1901. but I'm committed now...4 -
and post wash.
Two different interpretations of an 1800s fabric, with key similarities but also big differences.
The Kurabo is very green, which we associate with natural indigo. These are a bit like the 201 fabric, very hard to wear in, with very turquoise mid tones. But these have a much much finer yarn.
The 1880s fabric is fascinating, as it really is natural indigo, grown in Tennessee, but is a much more red or even purple hue - like we'd associate with synthetic. It's very fluffy, crinky fabric. You'd expect this to have a similar texture to the Roy Contest loomstate, which was loomstate based on a similar yarn design, but this is fluffier and crinklier. almsot certainly some of this is down to the variations of the cotton, year on year.I love the combination of very fine yarn and very fine stitching. It's one detail that LVC get right. The stitching seems to sink right into the denim, and I lvoe the muted effect in the 1890s.
if these are like the 3-pleat jacket, or my old SDA natural indigo which had a fiarly similar hue, these will be absolute bastards to wear in. So i'll see y'all in 10 years. Dr Heech won't know, but I've executed a career swerve to being a teacher. So most of the year denim is weekend only, but for the summer I'll be clad in these babies, 7 days a week.
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On 5/21/2020 at 5:01 PM, andyrcii said:The people who buy these things never even wear them, they just keep them in the bag forever.
The smart ones probably do. But not me.
So, these are the 1880s natural indigo. For me they are the last great LVC.
FOr all their many faults, there was some great work going on, especially from Cone. To think someone grew the indigo, experimented with dyeing, then developed a fabric from scratch for a run of a few 100 jeans is pretty much insane.
I put them in a 30 degree wash wihtout soap to shrink them down as I know, being loomstate, these will shrink a lot.
At the same time I hand-washed my 1890s then shoved them in the wash with the 1880s. these are the version with Kurabo fabric. Some weird odddities, like a paint finish on the buttons, but some great features, like the very agricultraul rivets. I was alerted to these jeans on sale very early in this thread. £75. THat was probably 12 years ago or more. I have worn them every summer bar the last one, light jeans being perfect for the hot weather. After maybe 10 months of wear, they are starting to look broken-in.
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They have to be more tapered than the 50s, they're overall slimmer. But not that slim - they're less tapered than many 66 cuts including LVC I think (haven't measured).
(Edit, took some stuff out for washing, LVC in a tag 32, essentially the same size, are probably an inch less at the cuffs than TCB).1 -
Nice catch. Kurabo denim which fades slowly but subtly with a real turquoise mid-tone. (Not as slowly as the Cone, though, either type).
I was looking at the chain stitch and thinking how much I like it, even though it's wrong. I need to get my 1880s natrual indigo shortened and was thinking of doing the same. Is that wrong?0 -
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i only tried the 60s on briefly, they're pre-washed, to check they fit (which they do). I'll compare them with my Levi'sg 66 and report back. It is nice fabric, very blue once soaked, feels almost 70s. Won't be starting on them properly until the autumn, and then I'll be a three days a week denim guy so no more competitions for me
Edit: I thought they used my 20s for the last shoot but it was my 50s.1 -
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I sent this photo to a friend to make him jealous.
I posted my 20s and 50s to Inoue-San purely as I needed the space and so they had a nice home. They've used the 20s for three blog entries recently so I don't feel too bad about getting a free shawl collar jacket in olive, plus a pair of 60s (not in pic).
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16 hours ago, Leevi's said:Another thing about my LVC 501-54 above, the previous pair I got (from 2011), if I remember correctly, had a bit different look and touch of the denim, it was more smooth at touch, the fabric looked more "combed", more starched (I don't know how to describe it correctly, english is not my language) and maybe also a bit darker, these from 2015 have a bit more rough, "hairy" look and touch. Anyone knows why? The denim should basically be the same from Cone Mill...
Cone would use different cotton from different years with different weather. They would try and 'average out' the result but there will always be inconsistencies from year to year.
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that's beautiful. I guess it's the Cone indigo duck. Cone sent me a bunch after we did the Roy contest, it's gorgeous stuff. Though you will end up with blue thighs, it crocks like crazy!!
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I spent a few days in Kurashiki, visiting Nihon Menpu, but sadly didn't visit TCB.
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How dare they shame me by having someone look much better in my jeans than I did???
I think I remember that little bit of the street, too...18 -
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I actually thought all the contest jeans were great, I'd often look at them and think they looked better than mine. But then looking at mine in the factory they seem to look even better than I remember them!
Interesting, too, how similar all my different jeans seem to end up. Those two are really similar, although when you look at the 50s close-up there's beautiful detailing where the warp has just worn away over the whisker creases.
Your jeans are great, Volvo, you are the role model we're all trying to emulate. ! Stay well. x1 -
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Those all look great!
@fresco those aren't my nipper's old pair, are they? They went off to Mark F in Germany IIRC.0 -
@spiraltoy, I remember when those came in to Cinch, they are a 1901 repro... with an 1880s leather patch! Production error. Kurabo fabric.
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hmmm... fixtures and fittings look good, without seeing them in the flesh i would guess they're legit, and that the inconsistencies are simply production errors.
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Show us the inside of the rivets on the front and back pockets. Also the yoke details pleez.
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1 hour ago, Maynard Friedman said:How about a 47 cut using 43 denim with 44 arcs and 46 hardware with 45 details and a 39” inseam?
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- I voted for customisation, on the basis it would only be pocket fabric, which would involve minimal cost and disruption. But I'm fine with stock fabric, too.
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yup, works for me too.
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We know historically around 50% of folks who say they're up for it drop out, so I'd cost it at 25 and make it first come first served.
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The early 555 501 are all cone. The very first Captial E jeans, with a mix of feautres, were all based around the Cone fabric. I am not sure about the original '201', that might be Kurabo.
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That's pretty typical fading for four months. Those jeans don't go down easy.