Sympathy-For-The-Denim

If this is the right term, than that's what I meant! Thank you!

@Dr_Heech Well I can contribute to this thread to the least. From what I've learned a late '66 pair, late because of the chainstitch on the back of the back pockets?

oops!

I wonder if I'd ever recall seeing such pair in 20 years of collecting Denim... someone selling a NOS 1933 LVC pair made in Valencia Street. https://www.ebay.de/itm/800670840354?_skw=lvc&itmmeta=01M2XP6992TQA3CGYDG187WKAP&hash=itemba6bb37622:g:t7IAAeSwiyFqqn3L&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAAwGfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xDnLE9W5Vfp04QfF5oQtVbx35hcyvAD7kKp42cwi%2FJ%2BdSn0XeJ%2F7yeaAmGdINQz6Vc%2FpuKFZVsAFKDfNSx2F358s1c7N94udqRn16NG2Dx2WlUz24JelpeWONVvlHsmWfHRJmqYddVu9mVuA6P2bZ0Cde7LFXsWcvFhszrs9o4GTEKR1iGn0j%2Fe0lQdGOCmzJKHozP%2FA3uhdZ3T%2Fkxs2lwTSicF75cfFAIAuC6I4UomhA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4yVmbaXaA

the same gorgeous tee (unfortunately in size small) resides untouched in my closet for 23 years. 23 years!!! 😵 back than I also used to buy the blue tee that reads "San Francico"

I recently acquired these Levis 517 Saddleman Boot Jeans at a - if they are legit - very reasonable price. Thing is, the feature everything of an original pair such as the flashers, the talon zip and all the details, but few things let me think: - the inside care tag looks like being made from polyester and reads max. 8% shrinkage which is a lot for a pair that claims shrinkage control. The other NOS pair I own features the paper/cotton like tag which you can find on almost every pair from 1970s and says max. 3% shrinkage. - the leather like patch is closer to the center, normally it should touch the right belt loop - the super narrow back pockets - the position of the red tab is quite low still I am somewhat sure they are legit and maybe had been made in a factory that didn´t produce as many as other factories therefore pairs of the origin are rarely to be seen? And sorry for the bad picture, these haven't arrived yet.

so far the LVC wannabe 22s don't even come close to the originals

what a pair! 🤩 the colour of both denim and thread reminds me from of the transitional 501 era

@Dr_Heech Great find! I like the colour combination of the lighter blue with lemon stitching which gives it a fresher look. This jacket matches in colours with a rather unusual pair of Lee Rider youth pair I got in my collection for 20 years or so, which I finally try selling for they never properly fit me:

The most obvious difference though is: the counterfeits graphics and fonts are embossed while on original patches only the lot and size numbers are, such as original Levi's patches

I also had spotted sugar cane (which I had bought not being able to identify them as a fakes back then), freewheelers, studio d'artisan, momotaro, acne studio... all of them came nwt, all made from the same denim that just looks like off the rag 501 raw denim from 2010. some shops sell original stuff too that makes it hard to tell...

the other one

the real thing:

@indigoeagle the denim just doesn't look right, best to judge from the inside, perfect parallel diagonal lines while selvage denim feature more sort of seismic profile lines. but there is a lot other stuff out there which is impossible to identify as... and watch for the fit of the 601xx, those are far away from being a 1950s repro. check this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127793779861?itmmeta=01KPNRBXV4ZAMGXXGVC91VV9ZG&hash=item1dc11a5495:g:p4IAAeSw1Xtp0rzE same picture used as in the offer before while the shop got other stuff from Japanese brands, flight jackets etc...

I have posted several times regarding counterfeits of Japanese brands. Here is what I think another fine and hard to determine specimen: https://www.vinted.de/items/8540894359-freewheelers-company-the-vanishing-west-507xx-1951-2nd-type-jeansjacke-in-grosse-40?referrer=catalog https://www.vinted.de/items/8695127579-freewheelers-jeans-601xx-1951?referrer=catalog