dasman989

i'll jump on the first part of that. Look at the pbj-ai or KMW awa to see how dark natural indigo can get. My kicking mules are almost black. and after 20 wears they have shown absolutely no signs of color fading. I think what you are after is the difference between dyeing methods more than the difference between synthetic/natural indigo. As for the greenish/reddish tints.... i don't know. The best i have been able to come up with is the variations in other dyestuffs making up a natural indigo pot. Even "pure" natural indigo is supposedly 15-20% other vegtable matter. The traditional indigo pots used by the japanese are concocted w/ all sorts of other shit in them to keep the bacterial reduction process alive. One recipe i saw for that kind of dye pot included, yeast, madder ( a root used as a red dye), dates (for sugar to feed the yeast) and some other random shit.

it was up againgst the wall in d.c. The balcks are a re black warp and weft with a whtie and i want to say silver selvage line. Again they look amazing. I just emailed cmonwealth and asked for size nfo. will post if i get anything useful.

saw the blacks last weekend. they look fucking great. but they smalest size they had was 34 so i don't know anything about the fit

i saw a pair of black PRPS that were balck warp and weft with some bright contrast stitching. The fit was way off for me but they looked great.

imported Barry's Irish breakfast at least once a day

didn't they do Return of Forever? that's a great track

I <3 DnB

abandominum has to be my favorite baltimorism.... exudes class and sophistication. encapsulates evrything that makes this city great.

"baltimore - the city that bleeds"

ha

when i was 16, this was 1994, i went to baltimore with a couple of friends, arriving there at about 2:30 AM-----we had no idea where we were going and just wandered around. then we saw some homeless (?) dude sitting on the steps under a neon cross. he was using a lead pipe as a cane. he introduced himself as "tony the warrior" and was kind enough to show us to a sandwich shop where we could buy him a sandwich as payment for his services as tourguide. when some ne'r-do-wells approached, he'd shake the lead pipe and say "they're mine".

i dunno. it was a long, scary night. i'm not sure how we shook tony.

you got off easy.... Baltimore is a gritty fuckin city. I'm glad i'm back in the burbs. A few yers ago I ended up living a few blocks from were they shot a lot of the wire. Where every other house is borded up and converted into "abandominiums" for the local junkies... Nice neighborhood. good schools etc....

yeah i never got mine.... do your worst

i did a 3 hour soak in hot water and and barely got any shrinkage and i think they immediately stretched back out. I will take some measurements when i get home from work. These fit alright but i could defintiely go down a size. I may be willing to trade but i think your one wash resins 30's may be about the same as my raw 31. Take full measurements and lets see what we come up with. Also, what is your inseam length? mine are 34

depends on the wash....

the RIGID are supposedly STF. I have a pair of 31 rigid that are drying from first soak as i type. will update on outcome.

i bidded on them

wayback...

tommy

nautica

polo

I had a pair of diesel pleather jeans in like '97.... i wish i still had them

more recent

gap

express (lots of around 2002)

american eagle

moving on

diesel

g-star

citizens of humanity

evisu

nudie

post sufu

sugar cane okinawa

samaurai 19 oz

5EP

Kicking mule - awa

indigo is known for it's colorfastness. It's resistant to fading from washing and light. Black jeans on the other hand may get sun bleached. Anyone try it w/ blacks?

in case some or most of you don't know... not all evisu's have a selvage line.

i thought all their heritage stuff was selvage.

I have seen some pretty horrible evisu fakes. Thje easiest way to tell they were fake was the selvage line. The fakes i saw had a printed strip of fabric that had a selvage-esque design on it sewn ove the edges of the ends of the denim. That and the lack of chainstitching. I guess my question is - Why would anyone go to the expense of making a selvage fakes. It seems that that would be the easiest way to tell a fake from the real thing. It seems like too mcuh trouble to go through to make a fake.

no.1 = STF

no.2 = sanforized

No1 inseams = 37" presoak

about 34" after soak

i don't know about the fit of the 2000 cut but all evisu are length 34".

either 34" off the bat for no 2 or 34" post soak for no.1

i think all evisu stretchs /shrinks very easily if you can wear a 30 in other stuff you can probably get away with it in no.1 just wear them as they dry so they don't shrink to much

you got any pics of the inside of the hem. looking for chain stitch and proper selvage line

I was in chicago this past weekend and checked out the ralph lauren store on michigan ave. They had a good selection of RRL jeans at least. I didn't really look at anything else. A friend almost bought a pair but they didn't seem to have anything in a 31 waist. Anyway, I was fairly impressed by the jeans. Good fits and really nice denim. Some of the hard washes were even pretty nice. I want to say that the jeans are all made in USA but i'm not 100% on that.

~my $.02

it really depens on what the inseam looks like. the easiest way (least work) to taper them is to open the selvage line.

go from this

[-----|-----]

to this

[--------------|------------]

but that might look funny if you cuff them.

If the inseam is felled try to make sure the re-fell it. Somtimes they just do a shitty overlock and single stitch it back up. So it's up to you on what you want to mess around with. But try to find a tailor that you can communicate well with and tell them exactly which details you want to keep.

it depends on how much a detail whore you are.

first of all you are going to loose your chain stitch on the hem (assuming they are chain stitched)

second - you might want to make sure they try to match up the original seams and don't mess up any selvage lines to badly. i.e. depends on wether or not you double or single stitched inseams and wheter or not they are felled.

so yeah you can just take them to a tailor and say "taper these" but you may lose a lot of the little details.

they run a size big right? pm me

as far as i know, all there stuff is sanforized. Ask the guys at context though. They should know for sure.

If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!

not all it's cracked up to be... i ate there next tuesday

ask for a close up of the selvage line. That's an easy way to spot fakes.