mopar_jj

Hey Paul, No problem

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Couple snaps, sorry for crappy quality but my cam will no longer take a good close up

They are the best, by far fakes I have ever seen - way ahead of the thai stuff. Makes me think they came from japan

Little e redlines still fetch a premium on Ebay, as long as they are described properly and have a good fade/size. Small (30 or less) or Large (+40) can be had cheap.

To me looking at the pictures those are double stitch redlines #6 Button, which advertised like that on Ebay and a good size could fetch 50-60USD

The tag has the silver thread - shrinkage 10%, Tag is paper V stitch near front button

Dont think anyone knows anything about these. If they are fakes, they are the best fakes I have ever seen - quality wise I dont think they are. Seems like Japanese denim to me as well

no - The top 2 lines (rows) of stitching along the top of the pocket on outside (pic 2)

========= <--- This part

| |

| pocket |

\_________/

Part where your hand goes in, flip it over and see if there is a single stitch on both threads or if it is chain stitched with several layers of thread. chainstitch is newer

check inside stitch of rear pockets - single stitch make them 72-76ish double stitch make them later than mid seventies

Rivets look good to me - If these are fakes, I would be very surprised. I have 2 pairs of thai fakes, not near the quality of the ones pictured above. I put the buckleback up in the loop like that cause it was scratching stuff. The tag on the inside is identical to a more modern levis tag - no sp. mistakes, made in the usa wpl 423- selevedge on the inside of the coin pocket. Maybe a sample piece? I have never been able to find any info on them.

Paul T?

I checked those ones in the pic. They are US made Levis - 501-4589, cant find any info on google about them - anyone got any ideas. They look legit to me.(real levis tag, v on top button correct, 501 stamped on top button, etc)

Thats me....

Hey Paul - You are correct in that there is a pair of fakes in the photobucket. I have a couple thai fakes. Those above are Levis Japan if memory serves, but I will have to get them out in order to make sure.

As for the captions on the picture -- I did them up as an 'acid test' of vintage for someone a while back. Used those jeans because they contained most everything we were talking about at the time - even tho they are repros. As for the tag someone was making reference to the famous blank tab as if it ment something in terms of vintage, which as you said only means they were made after 71, meaning they could be made in 2006!

MJj

Sorry Guys I know some hate the posting of ebay links but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290065223376&rd=1&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290065211527&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RUPX_BID_Stores_IT&refitem=290065223376&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=UpSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

These are unbelievable -- Surprised someone has not bid on either yet

Comments on authenticity, etc?

Mjj

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i190/mopar_jj/Picture012guide.jpg

I knew I had a pair - Think these were made from like 87-92 or something. They are pretty good quality. They are not true to the repros tho. The pockets are chain stitched - Big E, Redline, Paper patch just says 501. All and all still a nice pair of jeans. Good denim, similar to actual big E denim in texture, quality IMO.

Definately 1st generation repro levis. Not sure of the dates these were made.

Think 1987 or so.

Paul T?

Hey Paul - These may not be fake - Look similar to the garbage Levis used to pass off in Canada as authentic. 'Leather' labels were common in Canada on orange tabs, as well as some red-tabs. I have a pair of both. The red tabs were 505s and made in france(Awsome jeans - would love to get another pair) and the orange tabs 619s

Authentic Levis, but different than the usual ones available in the US.

cool! I wonder if anyone knows how to 'decode' the inside tags as well? Levis will not release it because it is proprietary, but someone on this board might know.

1983 The red ear model / it divides, sewing model For mass production, because the one which is judged from the cloth whose width is wide is efficient, the denim was adopted widely.

Until recently, as for the part where the ear is utilized, it could apply the lock,

　 Cone Mills corporation XXX denim payment of 61 inch width start 13.5 ● R) E 　 　 I 　 　

1986 Dividing sewing model Stock of lug cloth is cut off 　 Payment stop of 29 inch denim of cone Mills 13.5 Discontinuance R) E 　 　 I 　 　

translate this site in google:(it wont hotlink properly)

According to http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja7Cen&u=http://www.milktea.com/jeans/jeans_detail.htm&prev=/language_tools

I have seen 83 and 86 quoted in numerous places, so I am not sure which one is right.

I have seen it so many times I would need a ruling from Levis on this one. I say 86 cause of the above site, dont think anyone knows exactly, but if you can post something on it I am all ears....er all eyes!

i was right - ds redlines buts them like 1975-86

double stitch redlines. the 'first generation' of vintage

I would say these are vintage double stitch redlines.( would still need the pics of inside leg and rear pockets to be sure) Made before 1986

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.milktea.com/jeans/jeans_detail.htm&prev=/language_tools

these are real. These are vintage, but now you have to determine how 'vintage' they are:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?p=131051#post131051

also pictures of the rear and inside leg will determine their age

Yes, the inside stitching is what is being refered to -this indicates a jean made in like mid 1970s and before, with a Big E Levis Red tab dating it before 1971. Redlines were made before 1986, with a denim made on a narrower loom. The model numbers (501-0117) were used upto 1986 when they changed from a 'typewritten' style on the patch to a printed 501xx or 501 in red or black. 0117 refers to indigo color. I am guessing that you have a couple of Double stitch Redlines. Would need pics to be sure tho.

Another dead giveaway is on the corners of the rear pockets. All of what I consider 'Vintage' red tab Levis have Black stitching on the top corners of the pockets, just a quick 'acid test' when looking.

As Rays Father Frank would say, "Holy CRAP" I missed those 7,000+ WHOA

The repro denim looks good tho

The denim are still in the wilderness, I checked them several weeks ago, believe it or not they are still cardboard stiff, with only slight fade marks. So I now have them soaking in the stream - they have been outside since aug 1. Pictures will follow when I am done!

$60 is not too bad on Ebay. If you search thai fakes on this forum you will get the real story on these, quite entertaining.!

look like fakes made in thailand - If you bought them from Ebay from ID vintagejeansdealer or vintagelevidealer( I cant remember exactly) then I would bet on it. There is neg feedback on his account.

I agree, like a totally different product when they changed, although I still like DS 501, but the SS would have to be my preference, esp. big E, the denim seems even better on Big E than SS IMO.

Hey Serge - is this your website?

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.milktea.com/jeans/jeans_detail.htm&prev=/language_tools

10-4! on thr RL I think this is a mid 70s transition piece