Teddy Boy Rocker

i have a pair of the 1937 Lee 101 cinchbacks

i love mine....they fit very nicely (if you like the classic 501 style of fit) and are a little roomy but not overly loose. Couldnt tell you much about wear since I like to keep them dark. Def one of my fave pairs of jeans.

Edited by Teddy Boy Rocker on Jun 7, 2005 at 12:19 PM

in so cal, the only places i know that sell them are Barneys, Traffic and Fred Segal Hollywood Trading Co

if yer a 34 waist, i'd get the 32" Nudies, that's what i did and they fit perfect

i cuff my jeans 2.5-3" as per Rockabilly Manifesto so dictateth

the purist RAB scene has always been into dry selvage denim. matter of fact, i didnt even realize that there were so many folks into dry selvage jeans until recently when i discovered these "style forums" as the only people i see on a regular basis that wear dry selvage jeans are at RAB gigs/record hops.

if you look at old photos of RAB "heroes" like James Dean, Eddie Cochran, Elvis (circa 54-6) etc they all wore their jeans cuffed with about 2-3" of cuff. and figures like Brando in "wild ones" wore his jeans cuffed as well. That look carried through into the early 60s with the "Ton up Boys" in the UK (aka Rockers, as in mods vs rockers) and is the style du norm of most modern rockabilly boys/teddy boys/greasers.

as for why...i've never really heard an official reason. my guess would be because the pants were too long so it was practical to cuff em up, which would also be a statement of "rebellion" since the "squares" would in all likelihood have hemmed them. there were other things that were done to jeans during that era that were considered "cool" like cutting off the belt loops and cutting off the levis red tabs and leather patch.

as far as current trend, i dont know or care what "normals" do about cuffing/hemming but a 2-3" cuff with the jeans ending with no break over the shoe is how the more stylish rockabilly guy will wear his selvage jeans. i like to wear my Levis '47 501xx, '29 201xx, Lee '37 101 cinchbacks the most (all repro of course). but i do like to check out some modern stuff and own Nudie RR and APC new standards which are pretty cool in my book.

i havent ordered from here, but here's a source for Sugarcanes

http://historypreservation.com/hpassociates/index.html?sugarcane.php

just PMd you

exactly. you see that everywhere in Roppongi, it's a common practice

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aren't you all embarassed to be posting on this site? I can't help but cringe when I read thread titles like "dealing with people who don't know what dry denim is." (Oh, those primitives). Who the hell cares whether or not all of your faceless message board cronies cuff their jeans? I too appreciate good style and the subtleties involved, but some of this stuff is giving me second thoughts about where Man sits on the food chain.

--- Original message by AmericanTemplar on May 25, 2005 11:31 PM

not any more embarrassing than posting on, say, "skinheads.net" (thank god for POS)

but you did learn something about fake Levis right? so it wasnt all a waste

"(mind you i am white) and i think the asian lettering are played out like oshkosh"

this reminds me of the Japanese tattoo artist in Philly (?) that was pissed at all the white frat boys/girls coming to get Kanji tattoos so he put phrases like "i am a slut" etc on a lot of folks who didnt know better til they got laughed at by asians who could read it.

all my jeans are 2.5-3" cuffs....vintage rocknroll style!

I'm not accepted by my peers - so what

I could care less about those queers - they're fucked

The chicks are hot and full of cheers - teasers

They say 'no' so i jerk white tears - pleasers

i hate them all - creatures

i hate all them - creatures

etc.

that song should be your high school anthem

love tattoos

have 2 half sleeves, both forearms covered, back piece, both thighs covered, both calves and chest work

my faves

Issey Miyake (original)

Paul Smith Extreme

LaCoste

last nite the auction said he was removing the listing since he used terms that were inaccurate like "world's oldest Levis" and dropping names of authorities who didn't give him permission to use. he indicated he would be re-listing the jeans at a lower reserve in a couple days, unless someone contacted him outside of ebay and made an offer. ultimately, it sounds like he is trying to sell something he doesnt fully understand or can handle.

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Ringring, do you know of any other major Japanese mills producing selvage apart from Kurabo, Nisshinbo, Kaihara & Mempo?

Paul T, I think Spitzbrg probably answered that one for you. He knows his stuff.

I've a strong inkling that Japan is not the only Asian country making selvage denim these days.

--- Original message by ringring on May 19, 2005 12:15 AM

a local fellow who is making his own line of copies of Levis 501 bucklebacks said he is getting his raw selvage denim from Thailand off a Japanese made shuttle loom machine

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Well, when I say vintage, I'm not talking about old shirts. I think that good quality vintage shirts far exceed shirts that are made these days, and you can get, say a deadstock 1960 military grade t-shirt in deadstock condition for less than $10. I think you are going to be a lot more pissed if you drop a stain on an exclusive $100 t-shirt than one that was only $10. I don't think that is being naive at all. And my wardrobe is not limited to vintage gear because I work in a winery and would hate to stain something that is really rare. But when I go out, I usuall wear some Big E levis and a vintage shirt or polo (raglan.)

And I would also like to add that vintage wear not only shows good style, it is a lot of work to find the stuff; sometimes requireing hours or days of shopping to find one cool item. Cheers, Joel

--- Original message by Serge d Nimes on May 18, 2005 09:49 AM

+1

i have 50s vintage shirts that i've literally spent years trying to find before succeeding

back on topic, i like exclusivity as long as it isnt "manufactured exclusivity"...like someone said, let the market determine whether or not you fall into that category

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why are REPRO Levis LVC faked? i can understand selling fakes as real pre-60s vintage to get $$ but i dont get why someone would fake reproductions (as there apparently seems to be a lot of on ebay).....if you had the means to make a decent pair of selvage denim jeans why not start your own label and make Levis clones like Denime, Sugarcane, Dry Bones etc? and are the fakers making a pair here and there or are they mass-producing them by the 100s, 1000s?

now regarding this ebay seller with the $15,000+ 1890s jeans buying a fake pair of 201s in a previous auction, am i right in assuming their fake-ness comes from the presence of the red tab, which the white cloth patch 201s didnt have? (i have a pair of white cloth patch repro 201xx and they are blue line selvage, not redline....is that historically accurate or not?)

--- Original message by Teddy Boy Rocker on May 17, 2005 07:19 PM

if jeans are being faked, but still be a great pair of jeans of good quality, does it really matter? i mean, a lot of japanese brands are also copies of levis, which you all love. i think it doesn't matter at all except its not ethical, let me know what you guys all think.

first post btw

--- Original message by benzak on May 18, 2005 04:05 AM

*I* have no problem with 'fake' jeans if it is sold as a knockoff, like so many of the Japanese brands. but to sell fakes as authentic is a deliberate attempt to deceive which bugs me. this attitude goes beyond jeans, look at how much stuff is faked and tried to be passed off as authentic. put your own name on it and you might even get more $ and develop your own following. like you said, a great pair of jeans is still a great pair irregardless of the name on it.

i need:

Atelier LaDurance "royal" denim jacket

Dry Bones raw jeans

Sugarcane raw jeans

Works Inc raw 21oz jeans

Dior Homme Slimane tailored wear

yea after looking at those 201s he bought, it is so blatant they are fakes for the reasons you listed. i just noticed the title being "Big E redtab" which seemed odd for those jeans

out of curiosity, there seems to be an underlying implication that they jeans he is selling are maybe NOT authentic? or that he is just a complete dummy selling real jeans, in which case i dont think there is a crime in that.

and did he say *he* washed those jeans? i would have assumed that the 4 guys who originally found them would have washed them, not knowing better.

Edited by Teddy Boy Rocker on May 17, 2005 at 08:21 PM

why are REPRO Levis LVC faked? i can understand selling fakes as real pre-60s vintage to get $$ but i dont get why someone would fake reproductions (as there apparently seems to be a lot of on ebay).....if you had the means to make a decent pair of selvage denim jeans why not start your own label and make Levis clones like Denime, Sugarcane, Dry Bones etc? and are the fakers making a pair here and there or are they mass-producing them by the 100s, 1000s?

now regarding this ebay seller with the $15,000+ 1890s jeans buying a fake pair of 201s in a previous auction, am i right in assuming their fake-ness comes from the presence of the red tab, which the white cloth patch 201s didnt have? (i have a pair of white cloth patch repro 201xx and they are blue line selvage, not redline....is that historically accurate or not?)

did they have crap jeans no one wanted or were they too obscure/$$$ that only denimheads would appreciate?

dont know much specifically about the Type 1 except that i dig em

the exaggerated rivets, belt loops, stitching etc are cool features. they made a pair with cinchbacks that i'd like to find....the one deadstock pair i found once was just too small for me to wear

as mentioned, American Rag on LaBrea is a good place to start

Fred Segal, both Melrose and Santa Monica locations

Hollywood Trading Company (Beverly location as well as the one inside Fred Segal SMonica)

Politix inside the Beverly Center

Traffic inside the Beverly Center

i've always been into the raw/dry look. i dont like the extensive distressing that happens to jeans, even when it is done so naturally over time. that is why i am in the very small minority that dry cleans jeans to keep them as close to new/dry looking as possible.

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Ralph Lauren or Fred Perry for me.

The SS Fred Perry/Comme polos are wicked. simple White/Black polos with Fluro trim. looks sweet.

--- Original message by Christiaan on May 13, 2005 01:21 PM

fred perry teaming up with CDG is when they REALLY jumped the shark. to each his own, but i think the color combos are atrocious and then the price is jacked up 3x a normal Fred. i think polo shirts have a utilitarian function and having one cost over $150 is ridiculous.

APC new standards

vintage green/orange/tan plaid shirt jac

Lt brown D&G brogues