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If you live by a place that has a 43200G, just get them rehemmed. It'll be cheaper than returning to JP.

I don't know how but I keep buying jeans that no one knows about. I haven't seen anyone with the 666S-21 that isn't the collab model.

Yeah- something on instagram that's more tangible than #denimworldchampionship20152017 would be awesome..

maybe set up an account and share people's progress and stuff? I think that'd be rad.

I'll bite.

Started dating girl in highschool. 16. Date 4 years. Get engaged last October at disneyland. Month or so ago I have a dream that she's cheating on me. Check her facebook. She's cheating. She'd been with some dude online for a few months. Relationship over. That's where I'm at. Have no clue how to date as a 20 something so this has been a weird few months.

now isn't that fucked to the max

That XX-BE fabric is the best fabric they make IMO. Not many people have handled it but it's beautiful.

surprised you got the 666 cut. thought you would've gone for a more tapered fit. 

this model is a bit slimmer than the normal devil's fit, I think (hope). I really just needed a slim thigh and didn't really mind what was below the knee, and these should be a solid slim-straight on me still.

http://www.ironheart.co.uk/bottoms/ih-666s-21.html

Just picked up some 666S-21s..Excited to finally get an IH product in the lineup.

So Cheese Denim has some 32oz fabric for a MTO pair and I think I might just spring for it..

Looking amazing there, man.

my coin pocket is going to be in for some abuse.. 20 days in and my knife is destroying things.

14 days in, need to stop wearing these..

That makes me laugh because aren't they all just a gimmic trading off what the original Levi's and others of there time were making , and the irony is that you are part of a trend if you own a pair of raw denim jeans unless of course you were one of the panhandlers that bought a pair of the first batch , also this thread is still being posted on and still on the first page so not sure what you mean by " it doesn't get any play anymore .

I don't have any N&F but they are on my must have list and there are people entering them into the HWDC so they must still be pretty relevant , I think they will be here to stay and that there is plenty of room in the market place for them .

I don't think that's what it's about. I think the biggest turnoff towards N&F (here, anyways) is the lack of visible heritage throughout their lines- that's when people think they're being gimmicky. Also their advertising and marketing tends to reinforce that ideal. A good example would be the MiJs. Sure, they're made in Japan and are pretty much on par with popular pairs around here, but their marketing has somehow made this pair gimmicky as well..maybe it's the not-so-subtle and false(ish) 'loomstate' description, or the 'tenpi treatment' being in every web description.

They 100% push out great products. Some great products. Their elephant line has continuously been a staple in the raw denim market, but other than that their models are generally overhyped and the quality is still at entry level from most perspectives.

N&F shouldn't be dubbed as 'non relevant', but I don't think their name should be synonymous with top of the line denim. For reference, I have had 3 pairs of N&F including the 32oz and never had a problem, but you can't really feel anything with them unlike my Onis, Samurais, or Imperials.

Love the colour and especially like the maple leaf detail however I'd like to know what makes them N&F if they are not made in their Canadian store other than the cut , maybe the patch is sent across .

There is only one retail outlet in my city and they have only ever had the one cut and three pair when iv gone in to try some on so I'm frazzled by the cut names . One day I'll invest in a pair but it will have to wait till I vacation in the North America or Canada , anyway Iv committed myself to a two year commitment to what I have now so at least I have a two year grace period .

what do you mean? AFAIK everything is MIJ with these. They are a modified weird guy that ends up with a higher rise and a bit more taper. I would say they are on-par quality wise with other MIJ brands but that price tag is pretty hefty for them being N&F. In the end you're still getting N&F's branding and marketing which isn't necessarily a good thing with these IMO.

Does that mean seven amnesty wears ?

Yup. Going to be tough to stop wearing them before the comp starts.

I'm sure this has been addressed somewhere but something I have never been sure about over the years is the cause of leg twists. I have always assumed it was due to the way the fabric is woven but have never read or heard a definitive answer.   Could they be caused by walking or the way one sits?  Just curious.  Thanks for the info!

It's the twill pulling on the outseam. RHT will pull inward (forwards?) usually and LHT will pull outward. Also tapered models tend to get it more especially if they're unsanf. Not caused by users unless you superheat your denim for some reason.

One week in on the 710xx's

Light hit my 710xx just right in the car today

Big ups to RCFG- fantastic job tapering my sammy's. couldn't be happier with the service and end result.

Sammy's just got back from tailoring. Pretty impressed with the fit now.

I honestly think they look great. Definitely more of a slim straight cut but I think it's good man

I'm running S710xx 19oz (heavyweight). i'm 'grayson' on DWC forums

Shot my sammy's off to get tapered yesterday. Took some pictures before they left.

here's my thread on DWC- http://denimworldchampionship.com/forums/topic/graysons-samurai-s710xx-19oz/

here's the imgur album- http://imgur.com/a/cq63l

is it recommend to soak these jeans before wearing? cheers

not needed, they're sanforized (unless you got one of the BSP models)

Interested to see how they fit. Seems like a cross between 512/527. I would have got some as well but my size was out of stock.

Me too..these have all been in the last 5 months. I'm hoping DWC will slow me down a bit..hoping.

Only 8-9. Think these are the last ones for a while though.