illkid

But your watch has wide apart circles, which are evidence for a fake! HA GOTCHA.

I just think these comparison pictures are worthless, there is so many different types of fakes. Also, it always says "Many fake J12s have ...", "Some ..." etc. not really convincing.

Also, I think you shouldn't insist (i.e. bring it up on each and every possible occasion) on him paying you 3k. Just let it go. If he's in the wrong, he's learnt his lesson.

My 2 cents.

yes. fake also can meet those characteristics. and what KEN show in the pic is low quality fake.

chanel is not watch maker. sales and marketing are the only things that the managers and staffs care. go to find a authorised service centre in your area, where i believe is the only place may help you....

good luck....

THANKS DUDE

So if tmccarthy41 say it is legit, you wont pay the 3 k to ken?

Under what circumstances will you pay?

i think you r so bored, if you think so , let's make a deal. if this is exactly the one KEN sold to me. you buy it for 3K. if not , i pay you 3k. if you are afraid to do so, pls stop asking such stupid questions.

i m not putting my 3 grand on tmccarthy41's words. i want every responsible judgement. and now i just want some responsible reply. thanks

if you are always thinking i want to scam ken. i will never convince you unless you came to toronto. i just want to show you a truth. before friday, you guys let me show pics of movements. after it. you said this may be fake. anyways, what do you want me to do ? if it's ok, i will do it. and right now, i want someone who is professional to tell me weather this is a fake. if it is a fake, i can send it to a third party to check it weather this is the one KEN sold to me.

This is fuckin stupid, what if you posted a fake j12 movement?

How do we know, which watch you posted?

The drama will never end..

The guy who started the fake shit..where u at bitch? and explain.

FS: Chanel J12 Black...

03-26-09 08:45 AM

~Stangzorized~

fake shit

i can show you the receipt of the watch shop. and you also can call them. anyone who in TORONTO. i can go with you to any watch shop.

where is tmccarthy41?? pls check the movements. thanks!

Cha-chink!!

$3000 dollaz puh leez!

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why did i not take it to chanel ? first, they may not accept cause the links are not like those sell in store.second, if this is a fake, they just return it to me. i 'm still unable to show you any evidence.

could you see the picture of movements??

Update The Pic Of Movement! Pls Check It. Thanks!

Update The Pic Of Movement! Pls Check It. Thanks!

the serial number is Y.B97988, i will ask them to write a note that the watch they unscrew is exactly this one.

btw, if you guys think i want to scam ken. go ahead. i dun care. because nothing can change your minds even the watch is fake.

For someone who was quick to come out and accuse, he's been very, very slow on the draw with the photos of the opened back that could authenticate everything.

This is going on, what, 4 days now and still no photos that were requested?

I'd never accuse anyone either way but this is really starting to smack of pure hijinks.

If I was going to accuse someone of ripping me out of $3K CAD, you can bet your ass I'd have the photos to back it up as requested ASAP if someone offered to confirm or deny authenticity.

Just makes no sense to be like, 'Oh yeah, I'm going to get those photos for you sometime...' after making a public accusation of being ripped off.

i said already, i had class and exams this week. I had six classes. i m going to unscrew back of watch this friday , and i have to find a watch shop, or you guys will say , illkid knew the boss of watch shop. i wil take photos and upload asap.

Speaking of records, I think as long as illkid provide the watch's serial number, the chanel manager could use a phone to call and confirm with the Paris or Hongkong manager and have it checked?

There's no need to send the actual watch, I think if needed, and email from the chanel manager to the Hongkong manager or Paris manager with the photograph of the watch's back and/or certificate of authenticity card would suffice.

i already said it. the manger ask me to send it to HK. btw, the certification is no longer a paper card right now.

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Probably not. Chanel got tired of people coming in with bags bought off ebay looking to have them aunthenticated and now refuses to authenticate bags (or so many people have said) I doubt Chanel would be any more thrilled to authenticate watches bought off ebay.

(http://forum.purseblog.com/the-jewelry-box/would-chanel-boutique-authenticate-their-watches-493714.html)

i bet this kid was just regretting his purchase and now needs money, so he's trying to scam ken out of 3k CAD

lol, funny. if i want to scam , why do i public it.

Also, could you please just open the case back and take some pics of the watch's movement, so that we can all end this once and for all.

Hope to hear back from you soon, illkid.

Cheers.

i will do this .

Love to see the poster's pics, he's probably gone to Chinatown to buy a fake to upload.

Did i do anything wrong? i just want to solve the problem , why do u think i want to buy a fake and want to cheat u guys.

I've been a watch collector for a number of years, and I've bought my girlfriend a few j12's over the past couple years. I know movements, and could easily authenticate this for you in 5 seconds.

take some decent pics of it (unscrew the back plate and take it off to verify the movement). We'll find out it's authenticity status immediately. The movement never lies

thanks, however, i have to find a watch shop first. i do not have tools. i will do this next week cause i have lots of exams next week@@. and i will upload pics asap. thanks!!

Look, illkid. I'm glad you took this publicly, and I do notice that you are honestly sincere and clueless, I hope.

Let me give you a piece of advice, go to any reputable watch shop, and have them authenticate it. Have them open the watch and see if the insides of the watch is engraved. Fake watches normally won't bother engraving the movements of the watches, unless its a skeleton back, but again, it would be poorly done.

OR

You could bring it to the chanel shop again, this time, tell them that you want to service the watch and to overhaul them.

Do bring the authenticity card along with you as well.

What they will do is that they'll take the watch from you, and in return, will give an invoice/receipt that will prolly says that they took a watch with serial number XXXX model XXXX for service, which you have to bring back when they have overhauled the watch in order to retrieve the watch back from them. Do show them the authenticity card as well, if requested.

Hope that helps, illkid.

good advice. however, chanel certification card changed since 2004 (i do not remember) right now is not a paper card but a plastic card. they do not any record. they just ask me to send it to HK. or they are going to send it to paris which cost al lot of money.

Also, if I may add one more thing.

I just checked the links you provided for the receipt, WTF?!

That's not even mine! I sent the watch together with the inner and outer chanel box, instuction book, certificate of authenticity.

And there's NO AAA watch made of ceramic dude. Its just not worth the troubles with the technology that they are investing.

The china webside link you sent, my guess is that they are trying to sell fake, but used a real chanel watch pics as their marketing strategy, so that buyers will think they are getting "AAA" fake watch.

I dunno what went wrong with you or the watch.

yes,i just want to prove that fake can even have the receipt.

AAA and AAA+ are made of ceramic. i'm pretty sure.

right now, high quality fake have inner and outer chanel box, this is not hight tech. easy to make it.

and i checked at least 100 J12 0685, i'm pretty sure that the real one 's links are different from you .i will show pics.

Dude, you seriously need some help man.

I sold you like last year, you got the watch, everything was fine. 3 or 4 months ago, I got a random PM from you saying that "someone told you the watch is fake" and you want your money back, and I thought you have sent the wrong PM or a bad joke.

Two days ago, you PM me again, asking for your money back, and that you were busy for the past 3 months. And you threatened to bring this public if I didn't give you back 3000CAD?

Seriously dude, I don't even know what to say. You are just ridiculous.

I bought the watch on ebay, seller was legit. Brought it to the chanel shop, they said it was legit.

When I sent it to you, you checked and you know its legit, I still got your email saying that you got the watch and you are happy with the purchase.

I don't know what happened for the past 3 months that make you think otherwise. Could be that your friend bought a fake, and replaced it with yours, someone borrowed your watch and replace a fake one, you sold yours when you are drunk, and bought a fake one, could be thousands of possibilities.

That's my end of the story, and that's all I have to say.

Regards.

first, i mailed you said"got it " as i got the package. i did not check it and said this was legit.

second, before pm , i emailed you a lot. and you never replied a word, i can show you record.

third, i have your original thread, i can sent back you watch and you can check it. the same serial number. if it was not the one you send to me, just keep the money and i would apologize for it.

at last i just want to say, i write this not because i m boring. i have fucking exams these days. and i m not the that person that would buy a fake one and ask you to return money.

I think Younghwan91 is right.

You have to be trained to find what's wrong on AAA or AAA+ fakes. And I doubt they are...

Moreover, you can't really compare Chanel to Rolex, Rolex only sells watches and there are specilazed in that business, wheras Chanel mainly sells clothes before selling watches and this makes a huge difference.

I know the CEO of Blanc Pain which is the oldest Swiss watch company and he said himself that it's becoming really hard to distinguish fake watches unless you open it.

But anyway, if it was real, Ken Shinoda would fight for his reputation which is not the case...

you are right. if ken can show any evidence which can proven that this is real. i will do what i should do. i do not want to destroy anyone's reputation. that's why i write this thead now.

dude just go back to chanel and get them to verify it. they may have to send it somewhere but who cares, at least you will have a certain answer because right now you got little more then nothin'.

this is fake, it is not necessary not fly to HK to verify it. btw, chanel store won't give you certain answer. i doubt weather they have record system. since i bought cartier rings in hK, and toronto store can verify it because of its serial number. if chanel has it. then it may be easy to identify.

Correct me if I'm wrong algernon but what makes you so sure that a manager of a Chanel store would be able to verify whether it is authentic or not?

I mean the original poster clearly states that the watch is a very high quality fake, from what I know (my mother) used to work as a manager of Salavatoe boutique and she was never trained to properly identify a fake to that degree. They have specially trained staff to identify fakes from what I know.

However, yeah, alot of shit doesn't add up here. Probably because english isn't his first language and some shit lost in translation?

we went to chanel boutique because the buyer thought that if the chanel store can add links for you , then it was real.

sorry, my english was terrible.