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We could always do 2 versions, 1 with perf straight tip 1 with a plain toe.

I better start smooth talking the wife now then...Maybe if I tell her that the SuFu Code of Ethics (Imaginary......) demands that I buy both pairs....Just on general principle...You all would play along right? Right?.................................

may i inquire, what is the 86 model? pics appreciated!

It's that black pair with the perf toe cap a few posts up...That is the 86 Trubalance Last model...

I think that covers most of our bases really...It's unique as in general you don't see the 86 model in a #8 Shell with eyelets all the way up....It's def a vintage boot as it's been in the Alden Catalog for a great many years now...It has the last of our favorite 405 boot (Connection to this forum as we all seem to love the "Indy" boot)...and the wider last makes it look more like a military boot than say a Plaza last...That pretty much covers us right?...Plus with the Perf Toe Cap it also adds an element of class to the boot as well...

Tom where do I send you a deposit for an 11E?

That sounds just like I was thinking when I thought about the 86 boot...With the eyelets all the way up and the double leather sole in #8 it sounds perfect...

Actually being asked by myself, how I should size on the other lasts, based on my perfectly fitting 12 A/C Trubalance shoe, Alden of Carmel stated this:

'You could try size 12 D in the Leydon, Plaza and Aberdeen lasts, and 12 C in the Van and Barrie lasts.'

and

'If your feet are very narrow, then we might not recommend 12 D in those first lasts [Leydon, Plaza and Aberdeen lasts - TT], and instead, might recommend 12 1/2 C'

Good to know!

This is pretty much how I was informed to size up the other last's of Alden to the Trubalance...basically take your Trubalance size and go up a half size from your Trubalance and keep the same width...

I wear an 11E in the Trubalance Last and the only other last that I have actually worn is a Plaza...In that Last I had an 11.5 E and it fit just fine to me...I'm sure most of the similar last's are generally the same as far as sizing goes...

Here is a vintage Alden style that has a bump and mili feel that you all are looking for...

Looks to be Trubalance to me and the fact that it's nice and square at the front really gives it a vintage paratrooper feel...

I'm telling yall a Trubalance with a perf straight cap toe...double leather sole...close stitch...eyelets all the way up and in #8 would be a great boot...Just like I said a couple pages back picture an 86 boot in #8 with eyelets all the way up....Plus that nice little heel tab in the back give's it a wwII mili esque boot feel as well (It also shares this in common with the NST Boot we all love)...Plus you can't say it's not vintage as I believe (and I could be wrong) but the 86 boot was the first boot produced using the Trubalance last...405 (which we all can agree is a great model) followed shortly after...

http://centipede.web.fc2.com/alden469.html

Here is one of 86 boot just so you all know what I'm talking about...Picture this in #8 with eyelets all the way up on a double leather sole and you have an amazing boot with a huge vintage / military feel that, as far as I know, hasen't been produced...At least that we've seen...

I am not quite sure which "bump" Tom is referring to, but here are some pics of my Alden boots in the Grant Last when they were new.

The idea of the perforated straight tip is very good. I had a similar thought upon looking at the WWII impressions boots for the second time. The Grant last is a very handsome last, and I think it is versatile in that it is fit for a rugged (military) look, but IMO can be dressy as well.

WOW! That is a really nice boot...I can just imagine it...perf tip...eyelets all the way up...and in #8 it's just blowing my mind...

I think a Grant last straight tip with perferations, close heel regular welt, with double leather sole, metal eyelets all the way up, would look pretty retro. The Grant has a little toe box bump that gives it a Budapest look. This would look pretty WWII/air trooper to me.

Here is a pic of the "Bump" from the Grant Last your talking about Tom no?...Pic is by "robin" in the Supermarket Forum a few months back...

Sorry guys, Military last is the same as the Modified, can't order it, a Japan exclusive. It's like the Modified with a broader toe area.

So another last bites the dust then...Now that I look at it that looks pretty close to pics I have seen of a Leydon Last as well...I have never actually seen a Leydon Last in person but from pics that looks fairly close...

Would it be possible to get that basic boot right there with double leather sole and all eyelets in #8 Tom...Only on a Leydon Last?

**EDIT** The Grant Last is a great idea as well Tom I never considered that until you mentioned it.......**EDIT**

I just spent five minutes looking closely at that shoe and trying to determine whether it was something I haven't seen from Alden before, or whether it is Trubalance or Barrie plus a weird angle and small picture making it difficult to tell. That boot looks pretty great though, as does the scotch grain cap-toe on Beams.

I also did this and to me it looks very much like a Trubalance last....Too small to make a definate ID though....

http://www.beams.co.jp/beams_e/html/topics_0802.php

Does anybody know what type of last the "Military Last" is that was used on one of the pairs on this page? It lookes to be a bit intersting...Plus as Bill was just stating this pair has Eyelets all the way up and no speed lace hooks...This could be a nice look....

Lastly, Tom, don't keep your ideas too secret, I hope you'll let us know what your designed Indy's are and give us a good shot to pre-order a pair as soon as you are ready to reveal them. I can't wait to see what they look like!

Ditto on that Tom...If your planning something let some of us who don't wear a standard D Width in on the fun so we can get an order placed as well........

check out these bad boys from the website miniw posted

http://www.vogue-trading.com/otherbrands_list_shoes.html

could be some inspiration...

Are these on the Mod Last?...It's hard to tell from that angle...

Since we can all agree that we wan't something out of the ordinary from Alden how about something in a two tone boot?...

Clearly Alden has the capability as these were a nice design...

Hey all this is my first post on here so please take it easy on the newb...

I have 3 pairs of Alden 405's right now...

I do have another pair of 405's on order through Alden right now with a Burnished Tan leather and they should be here around April or so...Cannot wait for those to get in...

I'm also looking for a pair of Cordovan boots and am really starting to consider purchasing a pair of AF43's in Black Cordovan or a pair of #8 AF79's...I'm favoring the 43's right now because I have no idea how the Leydon Last of the 79's will work on my foot as I'm used to the fit of the Trubalance Last...

This is my newest pair...Dark Brown Calf Leather...Dark Brown Welt...Dark Brown Moc Toe and Welt Stitching...and Leather Lining on the Tongue...

Here is my second oldest pair that I have had for about 8 months or so...I treated these with Pecard's Leather Dressing and Johnston & Murphy Natural Shoe Cream to give them their color...(The pair I'm not Wearing in this picture)...

This is my oldest pair at about a year old now...I have done nothing to treat these and they have been worn on just about every occasion I can think of from weddings to hiking trips in the mountains...This picture is about 5 months old now and they are in need of new heels...I have no idea what kind I'm going to get put on but it's going to be real soon I can tell you that much...

tmadd...I got you from a few pages back...Maybe I'm telapathic or something like that and was able to read your mind before you even typed that...........................

Prob not though...That split toe is kinda nice and it would give off the same vibes and the beloved "Indy" 405's would....

I asked Tom if I could design the special SuFu X LeatherSoul heel pad for the boot and he said ok.

: ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] oh happy day

Well at least we have one detail of the boot farily ironed out right...?mark is designing the heel pad and congrats on that sir...Now if the rest of the boot would be as easy to get going so we can actually get our hands on them and our feet in them it would be a great thing....

I agree with this whole heartedly...afterall, technically speaking, this would be a Superdenim boot so I would hope it would be a boot that invited being treated similar to "project denim".

I had hoped my going off wouldn't be misinterpreted as not welcoming everyones input...I just went crazy over the comment (not yours) that was something to the effect of..."I've never owned Alden before...but we should do this last, this toe and, blind eyelets all the way up"...or whatever it was. I also didn't mean that owning Alden's is a prerequisite to contributing to the formulation of a forum boot...that comment just seemed to betray that the poster lacked some fundamental knowledge about Alden, and also...about this thread. Its awesome to have newer people or long time lurkers involved, but for me at least, its also important for any boot that is going to be connected to this thread to posses a thematic unity with the entirety of the thread.

That being said, the second coolest part about this thread is that it genuinely is the friendliest place on Superfuture, and in my experience, the internet, and hopefully my cranky response earlier isn't reflective of a change in that regard. I first posted here on page 28 and a few days later I ordered 405s...my first serious pieces of footwear. Those boots are at Alden right now for their first restoration job, and I have learned a hell of a lot over the last 500 pages...hopefully this place is still as interesting and un-intimidating as it was when I first started reading. Welcome!

100% no it wasen't your post trust me...It's just i got a couple PM's that were a little negative and basically it was because I'm new here...I'll break it down for the people that did PM me and for the ones who think people who just registered here should have no input...It's this thread that got me interested in this forum in the first place and it's this thread that finally got me to register on this forum...It's over though and not worth dragging out so I prefer to just let it go at that...

I have a madd amount of respect for you making that post though tmadd...Very upstanding of you friend and don't think it's not appreciated because it is very much...

Like I said though it's done and over with so let's just let it go and get back to the topic at hand which is a SF x LS Boot that we can get our hands on as soon as possible

When I think of Aldens on this thread, I think of Chicken rappelling in his 405s and whoever it was who went riding in their Cordovan 405s, then got them stomped on by the horse... somehow it just seems fitting if we can come up with something that embraces those ideals.

Hey that pic of Chicken in his 405's with the Honey Vibram Sole is what first got me really interested in Alden's...I have purchased now 3 pairs since I saw that picture...Just recent I know but everybody has to start somewhere...

I will echo some of the other comments, if you guys don't have at least a somewhat clear idea of what you want, something which is not otherwise available, then this project is almost pointless. The Styleforum boot came about because someone wanted a plain toe boot with a medallion - this was not something you could get. I have no desire to get a meaningless, more expensive Alden shoe where the main difference is blind lace holes and a printed logo.

Every permutation that I would want is pretty much available, including this:

http://riderboot.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/21-aug-08-017.jpg?w=509&h=580

Actually the boot that I was looking for in the first place was the first SF x LS boot that I posted a couple pages back but after talking with Tom, through Email, I found out that it's not really possible for him to do another run on that boot so I figured that I should just throw some ideas at the wall and see what might sound like a good idea by everybody on here and not just a few...See if maybe some people on this thread could find a nice healthy middle ground for a boot that all of us could accept...Since apparently I may be one of the people who are not very knowing when it comes to Aldens then I will just bow out at this point and let the other Alden fans on this board tell me what I should like since again I know nothing about Alden's...

Not directing that comment at the quote above just in general from some PM's and comments that have been made to me and in some form or another directed towords me in this thread....It appears as though since I have only been REGISTERED here for a short time I don't get an input...Which is fine...I trust that the fine people of this forum will make a great boot...I just hope it's not 5 years from now...

That being said Tom I'm sure that whatever boot you choose to produce with the members of this forum will turn out to be just as great as the last pair and I will for sure be interested in purchasing a pair simply because it will have been created through help from the fellow fans of the Alden Brand that reside in these 500 pages...Like I said above, I trust the people in this forum to make a great boot...

Now concerning that Plain Toe Plaza you mentioned a few post's up if it's in a #8 Shell then put me down for a pair now...

So if most of the people on this forum is fed up with the Plaza how about a look at some other last's then? The Leydon has already been brought up in recent pages but what about a Barrie Last or a Aberdeen Last? How many boots do you see on those Last's...Since we all love the "Indy" 405 model why not do this thing on a Trubalance Last then?

Tom has already said that the Mod Last and the Cigar Shell is basically out of the question...What does that leave us then?

I think we can all agree that the plain toe is a good idea for the boot we are looking for as the Wingtips / Cap Toe's / Medallion have already been done and as some have siad are still fairly easy to obtain if you know where to look...Insted of nit picking each other let's get this focused down to what we can all agree on...

**EDIT** What about something like the 86 Boot only in #8 and with blind eyelets and double leather soles? That would be very boot ish with it's full last and heel tab no? Plus it shares the favored last of the 405...Just a thought... **EDIT**

Guys if your iffy with the Plaza last because you have wide feet just up a size from your normal and go with the E width...So if you usually take an 8.5 E then up it to a 9 E and you should be alright with the Plaza...I've never expierence the Leydon though so I have no idea how they would fit...Though "?" did state earlier in the thread that they were a bit more roomy than the Plaza with a shallower toe...

I say YES to high boot, #8 shell, and plaza last! Plain toe? This gave me some pause, but in the current time of financial hardship, a plain toe may be just the type of understated elegance that would be appropriate.

Anyways this I guess would be a very rough sketch of what they'd look like

(haha btw I am actually very skilled with photoshop, but I don't have it anymore since I got my mac, this is iphoto skills here. cheers)

That looks really good actually...The Plaza might be the better last to go with here...With the Plain Toe it really accomidates the last very well...I have to agree with Tom and everybody else here that this should be the SF x LS Boot...

What if you do a Trubalance Last then? It's seemingly popular on here and since it is going to be a boot collab with this forum why not?

Trubalance Last...Double Leather Sole...Close Welt...Blind Eyelets (If possible) and Speed Lace Hooks...#8 Shell...Plain Toe

Actually Tom what about a Leydon Last? It's sounds very nice and I think it might look very good with a plain toe...I don't think I've ever seen a pair of the Laydon Last in person and since you wan't to make this boot different than your previous specials why not make it a special last as well...I agree with YounPunch as that would be something special in this boot...

Hi guys, I think you are all on the right track. My opinion is to work out a new design for the SuFu crowd. Then it will be something new, not just a remake.

Cigar is 99% impossible. We can't get guaranteed completion timeframes. Most likely 3-5 years so I don't think it's worth it. Modified is 100% impossible. Especially for me since I deal mostly with Japanese.

If you guys like the Plaza, why not a Plaza #8 high boot, plain toe, w/double leather sole, close welt? If there is an artist in here we could even do a special heel pad design which I'd pay for. SuFu x LS with some design.

One thing to remember too is the Plaza doesn't come in anything wider than an E.

That's it for now, let me know if there are any other questions.

Where do I sign and send the deposit Tom? Let's get this boot going because that sounds like what I wan't...

The Mod Last sounded intersting to me but since I have a low arch on my feet It's not going to fit me right no matter what size I get anyway...Just give me what you outlined above in an 11E please...