Yet Fung

I hate to say that I wouldn't be caught dead in them... so I'll just politely state that I think they're retarded.

I'm not sure I understand the question right, but I think a lot of guys do a cold soak either to get a lot of the starch out and soften up the denim, or maybe in an effort to size the jean a little bit. Then when the jeans are still damp they'll put them on and wear them until they're dry, because wet denim is easier to crease than dry denim.

What's a good cost comparison of two equivalent denim fabrics if their only difference is selvage vs. open?

For me, it's finding that attachment that you get when you have a really good pair of jeans, which soon becomes your favorite pair, and then gets worn so far into extinction that you worry if you'll ever find a pair like it again. Then you realize after enough pairs, that you just have to know what to look for in a pair of jeans, and that once you put them on, their yours, and they've got the marks to prove it. It's a sign that your jeans are as attached to you as you are to them.

That's the corniest thing I could come up with, happy now?

Whoops, sorry I read these posts really quickly and just write really fast before my boss can see. yeah 4 hours sounds more reasonable.

is that half and hour for all laundering/finishing? That's pretty good, although if you knew exactly what to do and in what order, I suppose it shouldn't take long at all.

I doubt that it's much better tweedles, I highly doubt it. The only difference is that Japanese factory workers have to take classes twice a week on how to smile.

the scraping/sandblasting/washing sections are scary...

Glad somebody said it before i did!

6MT wrote:"to ask question about which or what is main stream, it really depend on what side you are on, the product or trend thats consider main tsream to us, maybe out right retardedt to the general public, and it's almost certain that we are the black sheep of this society...."

And that's what made me think of The Tipping Point, and the 'Trickle Down' vs. the 'Bubble Up' type of trends. The Trickle-down trend comes from major fashion labels, and marketing research, and the Bubble-up trend comes from street fashion.

So which of your collection is most overrated? Underrated?

I'm starting to really like the hidden pocket rivets. I guess it's the same idea as selvage denim, it's a hidden feature that would require someone to already know about it, or ask me to take my pants off to see it.

I totally messed up the math there, it's monday morning. It's 11 pairs if you were to count each word, but if you were to count each bullet, it's 7 pairs.

You can own as many as you like but I think you should ideally have 10 pairs:

1 raw & 1 worn in of each:

- slim/boot

- straight

- relaxed/baggy

and finally a black pair.

I'm a fan of the 'sheen. I think it's all part of that worn-in look that everyone wants. I don't like those waxed diors though, that's taking it too far.

It hasn't really changed much since those last set of pics ( 2 weeks ago maybe?), I had to take it out of my pocket because the ends of the blades were about to bust through. I'll take another pic if you like though.

Read, The Tipping Point. It will explain everything.

Actually the baggier jeans are, the larger and lower your honeycombs will be, but they will still be there. If you want to rock them baggy, keep them baggy. If you want a smaller size, maybe try a warm water soak, otherwise cop a new pair and start over.

In terms of starching, if you say you starched them, I guess I can't really argue with you.

As for the existing pair, you can ask CMF how he fixed his, did a pretty good job on those RRLs. I would say right off the bat, you can't start sandpaper-ing the entire jean, that's like painting ceiling of the vatican with a 60ft roller. Take your time with it.

I hate to say it, but it's kind of frowned upon at SF to artificially fade your jeans. It just so happens that there's a lot of new members now (including me) who are kind of hopping on a raw denim bandwagon.

Anyways, you should starch your jeans first, to get some good creasing. Some people also like to soak them either to resize them, or to get the starch out, so that they can restarch them in a more natural-looking state. After your creases are well established, then fading with sandpaper will look a lot more natural.

Here are pics of my RRDS at 4 weeks. I did what I could, but they could always look better.

I would say, cut down on the sandpaper.

I was reading that saying, 'atari' in the game GO, was the quivalent of saying, 'check' in chess.

I still think Atari means sharp-contrast fading.

Creases help achieve that, as the peaks of the creases are exposed more often, as well as the thread is stretched out and more open to losing indigo. Also, the decreased surface area means a greater concentration of friction in one spot.

Whether or not you have creases, your jeans will still fade. If you wash your jeans more often, then those creases won't stick around, or appear in the same spots, and so the fade will be constant over the entire jean, as opposed to being more 'characterized' to your body.

That would indeed be something. I think it would be awesome to be able to compile all the info on this board into a book, kinda like a mix between Paul T's book and Brian Robbin's.

You're probably right, I think the japanese have more terms relating to denim than the Inuit do for snow.

So then atari refers to any fixed-raised-convex surface (raised center of belt look), or fixed convex surface (like the edges of pockets)?

Makes sense, although it's not like that on my RRDS, it's a good term to know nonetheless.

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The New Standard goes down to a 24 I think, and it's a unisex jean. You can rock them skinny, or as the model on the website shows, you can rock them somewhat baggy and overly long. He pulls it off quite well.