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yup

just realised from ur avatar that ur on another board too

its always about what white ppl r doin tho; i never see any talk of disrespect when japanese guys dress up like greasers.

yep. this is where the sjw crowd, from what i've seen, miss out on. 

as i see it, the sjw's discontent arises from white culture (that is presently and historically dominant in terms of global reach etc.) converging upon ethnic cultures and sub-cultures arisen from struggles and conflict (i.e marginalized urban/street culture).

what is ignored in their analysis is the freedom in which non-white cultures adopt white cultures. this unquestioned freedom, or 'green light,' for appropriating the dominant culture actually legitimizes its dominance as the 'default' and objective culture for the world. with the privilege of being on top, you get to define what is normal and what is the 'invisible' choice. (similar to the concept of heterosexual privilege etc etc.)

and, as it follows, things sitting out from the dominant mainstream (like niche, sub/counter, ethnic culture) are deemed abnormal or 'odd' choices, especially for a white person -- all of which reinforce the top-down hierarchies in a very western dominated world. 

in a sense, it's all rather related to the scenarios where a person from a position of prestige 'degrades'  themselves by embodying things of a lower prestige. societal reactions to such scenarios are seldom pretty. imagine the backlash from these examples:

-prince harry sincerely dressing up in chav clothing for a tour of some country/local

-a man dressing up as a woman, with the forced effeminate voice and all

-a middle class white person trying to 'genuinely' speak in a black vernacular or street slang

speakin as a mixed race individual who passes for white, i don't subscribe to this notion

i'm reminded of a time when a girl who was studying in japan posted a picture wearing a kimono that she was gifted by her host family to her tumblr and was systematically harassed by misguided sjw cunts so viciously that she broke down and deleted her blog.

 

the phenomena of #smhwhiteppl is caused by things other than wearing certain clothes imo

yeah i mostly agree with you. i'm in favor of the notions: 'nothing is sacred,' 'all is profane(able).' especially within the modern/globalized context. i'm guessing jamokes wearing a headscarf would be an action informed by high fashion rather than religion. a phenomenon similar to punk culture (having actual values and mentalities) devolving to a fashion commodity. which is characteristic to our modern times, where the symbols and styles of the old/sacred are just hinted towards, rather than actually considered and adhered to. that is, artifice over tradition.

on the other hand...

virulent sjw cunts are something of an eyesore, but there is merit in their argument. i mean, aren't we all disturbed by the white man's racial drag? like those commited 'wiggers' who wear cornrows and use black vernacular, and those white people getting asian tatts without any (or at most, some) clue on their meaning. 

^Lol. That stuff happens in a lot of countries where there's no monitoring of legit practices or not. 

I was once in a taxi in SE Asia rushing to an emergency ward to see a friend. The driver was obviously taking the longest routes and pretending to get lost at the most popular sections of the city, so I told him I'd pay him a fixed amount of nice cash. When we arrived I just dashed out of the car leaving the door open without paying. Best feeling ever :DDD

Friend turned out to be ok, so happy endings all round. 

^ chill man  
 

dun worry bout impressing people in ur life time w/ ur art. have some faith in posthumous success.

you have all of eternity to bloom

i usually just use the flash on my phone for vision and the teeth of my keys to cut stuff open.

am i starting a counterculture?

 

I see nothing wrong with this

sex sells. that is all.

 

 

my fav is this

..do u even get the controversy? It says made in bangladesh, talkin bout the model not AAs clothes. Havent read any articles from feminists specifically just a buncha people sayin its distasteful cash in on a nations societal issues just so AA can use sum bangladeshi chick as a 'flavor' for their softcore porn ads. AA ofc passes it off as sum kinda feminist msg but lol. Its obv to everybody that any feminist msg they put out is secondary 2 boner bait.

ty for the summary, aa outcries are so commonplace i even see it in my local bumpkin newspapers so i never look to see if the commotion (intended of course, aa u smart devil u) is anything beyond the expected

jesus left no kids and is celibate

or maybe we're the kids

I'm sure I should have an opinion on that seemy debate, can anyone offer suggestions?

one suggestion: 

art dealer procures a lifestyle in art cubculture, by way of hardwork maybe, maybe by way of financial/social leverage (is there any other way?), and gets to sample the entire spectrum of art offerings that push the perimeter of what defines artsy stuffs, and attends all the events etc. and promotes/collects it etc. but one day someone contests: u! u dunno this art! u just buy! this art is life, it has messages, it is for thinking! he responds: no... don't you see, the art lifestyle is art. it is the message. and it is the way of thinking. 

maybe no such exchange of words happen. but the art dealer hapily tends to life exchanging on the market a carousel of fanciful things, and the concerned ones continue to concern themselves endlessly with the particulars 

ur turn

one out of a hundred will follow this advice and do something worthwhile. the other 99 will jerk off and play xbox all day, because that too will make them happy.

he's still trying to sell messed up pieces of fabric??? god damn. must have some low paid undocumented workers in the basement to sustain such a practice.

i'm pretty sure he's joking too
 

sex.money.+rep ------ divine trinity

im a bum from the victorian era. sex be repressed in these times.

unfuckerble

it's not just obscene tuition, it's kids getting degrees in worthlessness with no desirable skills or mobility

 

i'm not saying everyone should study STEM but you should think twice before majoring in art history with no relevant internships and poor grades

+1

people forget that the fields not directly related to material production was historically exclusive to the aristocrat/gentry class. who else besides ballers can fund a life that devotes it's time to studying art and literature? it's so redundant of undergraduate ba's saying how useless their degree is; of course it is! even my young cousin who sells shitty non-rare magic cards on ebay knows the current society is geared towards economy and industry. the order from above is: make, don't think.

a firm i interned at a while ago relegated all these inexperienced BA's to the sales division because they so convincingly spoke of their 'superior analytic and communication skills.' mediocre grades in a psychology or journalism major just says you can get sit still and get through assessments. what's not evident to them is the fact that undergrad material is so easily obtainable and self taught, specially with online communities focussing on them. i gatecrashed this political science seminar once and was introduced to this really senior guy doing a masters; a friend told me how he was one of the smarter dudes in the cohort even though he took some unrelated studies 15 years ago.

a boy scout sash is more valuable than ba and (some) bsc certificates. we need more people who can build skyscrapers for oil princes and not know why.   

jamokes, thanks for the reply, glad there's an exchange going on. this is a subject i'm interested in, though only obliquely. i'll refrain from using hyperbole since it obscures my points a bit. i think you've misinterpreted some of the main parts of my argument, i'll try re-iterate and make it clearer. my position is: yes there is an abundance of different beauty standards (which i personally think should be preserved/continue), but counter to this is an increasing standardisation of a few specific forms which is driven by social circumstances more so than evolutionary ones.

you cite some models/actors that have a marginal presence among a, to some extent, homogenous majority. it is also somewhat telling that non of these models/actors look anything like their indigenous counter parts of their original hereditary (im making the case assuming they aren't of mixed heritage, they probably are).

back to the korean and asian (eyes, nose, jaw) surgery point: i think you're right in mentioning the point about chasing youth. but it doesn't really hold validity when you really interpret what's going on with the changes in morphological features of their face: no where in any biological history does a person's eye structure change; you don't suddenly grow a freaking bridge in your nose or have your jaw completely restructured (unless you're male) in the course of age change. why is this certain 'idealised' face available to so few koreans, genetically and financially? why do they look so different compared to the undoctored populace? why would their face look so exceptional if they were to be transported 150 years ago, before the contact of the west? I'm not sure there is much more convincing to do when you completely dismiss the social influence of these changes. also, practicing occidentalism does not need to be intentional or even conscious.

i also did not intend to originate the current liking for thin women to the west; sorry if i didn't make this clear. but i don't think you could deny they have had a large role.

sexual dimorphism is a good topic, that can earn a separate discussion. but i'll try make some precursory notes. besides the main things like height and weight ratio between the sexes (also voice and jawline etc.), sexual dimorphism in its exaggerated form is not so prevalent across cultures and across subcultures. taken to its extreme it can be very ugly, think hypermasculinity (body builder, jay cutler) and hyperfeminity (XXXXL boob surgery). again the social specificity must be stressed. most high fashion models of both genders are very androgynous, bodliy composition especially. Paul Boche is a really succesful male runway model, someone likes him. put him on the show jersey shore, and i don't think his looks will be well received. sure, overall as an aggregate, the athletic body is the ideal. but given that there's a strong liking for large range -- thin to overweight, muscly to svelte -- i don't think any scientifically framed argument can account for it.

"the comments i typically encounter which address how ethnicity impacts attractiveness strike me as reductive at best and resentful at worst"

am i interpreting this correctly as:
"some people say certain ethnicities/races are more attractive than others, and this strikes me as reductive and resentful "   ?
if that is the case, then i agree, and it is NOT what my argument was about in the previous post.
i'm saying: there are different beauty standards, especially across cultures, subcultures and histories, but, there is a social element that standardises some specific forms of beauty on an aggregate level, and as a result some ethnicities get celebrated and some ethnicities get downplayed. 

you mention hygiene, health and youth. i've suggested before, that these are correct mentions, but they are incredibly trivial and obvious to point out. when i listed 'nice teeth, nice skin' i could of been more exhaustive. 

you believe science can quantify beauty. this can be done, so long as you keep to the most trivial aspects: symmetry, nice hair, nice skin, nice breath, all limbs in tact. it's clear it can't ever account for the large variance of appreciation for other physiological features. a messy science that can make no predictions or generalisations beyond the trivial is a science like astrology.

the social component takes precedence in this argument of attraction and beauty, i'm not sure if i can try convince you any further.

funny note on the computer mediated beauty correction (which, by the way is an algorithm, as in, a set of instructions written by a subjective human being). me and a few friends thought it would be good sport to go into one of them japanese photo booths (purika?). the experience of getting the photos taken was all fun and games, but when the printed results came out we said "wtf??". the computer enforced this 'eye enlargement' on everyones eyes. i'm aware these pics are supposed to be exaggerated and fun, but the result was more disturbing than cute. ... i could not compute.. science please help me..

also a book recc, that i'm sure you'd very much like: 'pricing beauty' by ashley mears. not entirely related to what we're discussing, but it does touch upon it. she makes a really good typology of some subsets of the modelling industry. the one i remember most was the 'high fashion editorial' models -- how they are not conventional looking, how they push the boundries a bit (think, julia nobis). this was compared to the glamour/mainstream models (kate upton).

closing or restarting apps through software is completely fine. hardware resets aren't as fine, though it does takes quite a number to screw up something.

maybe something else causing the slow speed, but sounds like you need to either have a fresh install of the OS or upgrade the spinning hard disk to an SSD.

yeah i'm not sure if you cba to read that since you are sundance and there is a definite certainty that u are a confirmed idiot and you're a ginormous waste of internet kilobits

just about all of us care

 

is there any drug that affects every single human in the same way? even though there isn't, we can still reasonably anticipate some fairly specific reactions

there are patterns in how we respond to visual stimuli just as there are patterns in how we respond to physical stimuli, and the former is as much a result of evolution as the latter is

drawing the line between constructs of society and innate preferences is difficult if not impossible

 

i understand that an inclusive and positive attitude regarding fixed parts of our appearances is more pleasant than the alternative, but i don't think it's fair to dismiss his perception of beauty as the result of deliberate conformity

 

anyway, i doubt a man who's chosen to resemble edith head cares a great deal about what society expects him to look like

 

good opening for discussion: i'll start by picking apart your argument. it is tl;dr but i'm in the mood for walls of text.

your initial drug metaphor caves in when you compare the great deal of variance of human attraction against the numerical predictability of people's reactions to drugs. human attraction has an all to obvious variance across time and culture (even within subculture) that really makes 'innate universal beauty' dubious at best (of course there are likings for a few universal things like clean skin, nice teeth). there's a revealing biologist's provincialism when you make such claims in the social realm.

also, equating visual stimuli and physical stimuli does a grave disservice to the former, since it's a human faculty in an entirely different ballpark, in that it's a place housing an entire complex system of semiotics. surely, people's ability to inscribe values and read differences between r.o dunks and nike dunks, and between a jewish 'hook nose' and a button nose, is far more complex a thing than being able to sense between hot and cold, and taste between sweet and bitter.

i'll turn towards 'the standardization of beauty,' which is where much of the contemporary literature (feminism, sociology, what have you) is focused on:

evernote 

this is probably the most important app i use right now. having it on mobile is pretty sweet too; i use fastever just to get rid of the 2sec lag time between opening the original app and writing down a note.

on a tangential point: i've found out that my phone typing speed is about 30% faster than my handwriting speed, and i haven't carried a pen ever since. 

used book store $2.99
let's do it!

you ever go back in history and look at the posts you made on the internet years and years ago? you were dumber then. more of a jerk. you're an embarrassment to the future yourself.

 

i'll never know if i'm getting better either because when i look at the posts i made a week ago i'm instilled with the same feelings of regret.

 

the only thing that keeps me going is a train of posirep

+++rep. But for me it extends to real life too. Good thing the spoken word isn't as accounted for.

yeah good points. for seenmy, it's in his job description.

 it just gets a bit funny when someone else tries too hard with incorporating ccp/harnden which are meant to be 'anti-fashion'

to put things simply, i think most of the stuff i typed before was trying to suggest a description towards the common occurrence of head to toe rick fits getting negged

deux_o, 

i personally think seenmy dresses well, you'd expect him to since he's in the fashion industry.

in the end i think rotating through different fits is fine, as long as you don't put things together that are the complete antithesis of each other and make each different 'aesthetic universe' a masthead for your life