originally wasn't going to cop anything this season but went for the j36 in black and p17 last minute. will say I'm pleased with both. the p17s are extremely light and comfortable, for some reason (not sure why) I was expecting it to be the same weight as my p31s but they're lighter due to not having cargo pockets. Will likely be wearing the living shit out of these. j36 is just what i expected. yeah the velcro on the pocket seems excessive but i find that it gives it more shape making it easy to utilize the pocket had there been no velcro to support the extremely thin windstopper.
I refuse to add spikes on either of these and find the added weight is unnecessary. I will likely get a lot of use from both pieces which is what i wanted since my gt shells sit in my closet year round 99% of the time perpetually.
