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They're short tongue geos:

really satisfied with the j68!

Received my J1B in white! Comparing to my J28 1.2: Both are size small but J28 is quite a bit more generous, especially across the back and in the sleeves. Both will accommodate a J68 as a liner, though the J1B is more snug J1B hood sits probably an inch and a half ahead of the J28 hood, so the J1B provides much better coverage The J1B collar when zipped accommodates the J68 collar, also zipped, without being constricting The stand collar of the J28 doesn't stay nearly as neat as the J1B stand collar when unzipped I'm a little torn on losing the front pocket array of the J28. They definitely distorted the profile of the jacket, but it was super easy to access the main pockets + mezzanine pockets. OTOH, the J1B is much cleaner and I would say has similar storage space to the J28, but the pockets are more finicky to access since they're WR zips and on the sleeves rather than velcro and on the chest. All in all, I really like the J1B and will probably let go of the J28. @jeddyhsu what do you use the detached pockets for? Right now I've been thinking masks but unsure what others have found them best for.

this morning was brutal! WTT: J28GT S for J1B-GT white S

Anyone able to compare J68 warmth to the J58 now that it's out in the wild?

Anyone have spare strap keeper clips (e.g. https://www.amazon.com/DYZD-Multi-Size-Webbing-Backpack-Management/dp/B06VVXGNJF)? Snapped the one on my 3a and trying to figure out how to avoid buying a 5 or 10 pack when all I need is one....

+1 on Voronois being very constricting and slim compared to P10s, even in Stotz which has little stretch.